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  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 1 day, 6 hours ago

    I got my Workbook and I requested an answer key for the Textbook and Workbook from here
    https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dEViZkszcFAzYVBCcld6Rm9jQjg1WkE6MQ
    as an Independent Learner.

    • I had to jump through a few hoops to download the answer keys to the Textbook and the Workbook. I am debating about buying the reader.

    • I downloaded an e-book of the Wheelock Latin Reader. I will start next week doing homework and will shoot for a chapter a week.

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 1 day, 22 hours ago

    My Latin Workbook should arrive tomorrow. How is everybody doing with Wheelock’s? There are some videos on YouTube to help explain the chapters. There is an Official Wheelock’s Latin website that pronounces the vocabulary in each chapter.

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 3 days, 20 hours ago

    It is hard to format things in groups. I think it is best to make a post for a chapter rather than do it in here.

    • Groups are just fancy text chat without formatting. However, comments on main posts have all the formatting facilities of posts (at Ratburger—this is not standard WordPress). You could create a post about your work-through of Wheelock and then add comments for each chapter. That way people could follow the post and receive notifications when new chapter comments are posted.

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 3 days, 22 hours ago

    I am going over Chapter One.

    • Verbs have five characteristics.
      1. Person: First, Second, Third
      2. Number: Singular or Plural
      3. Tense: i) present ii) future iii) imperfect iv) perfect v) future perfect vi) pluperfect
      4. Mood: Indicative, Imperative, and Subjunctive
      5. Voice: Active or Passive

    • Personal endings for the active voice.
      Singular:
      1st person: -ō or -m
      2nd person: -s
      3rd person: -t
      Plural
      1st person: -mus
      2nd person: -tis
      3rd person: -nt (NTs always come in 3rd)

    • First Conjugation: laudāre
      Second Conjugation: monēre
      1st āre
      2nd ēre

    • 4 Principal Parts
      1. First Person Singular Present Active Infinitive
      2. Present Active Infinitive
      3. Perfect Active Indicative
      4. Perfect Passive Participle

    • Present Indicative Active for laudō and moneō
      Singular
      1st laudō moneō
      2nd laudās monēs
      3rd laudat monat
      Plural
      1st laudāmus monēmus
      2nd laudātis monētis
      3rd laudant monent

    • Rule for macron (the bar over the vowel) disappearing.
      “Vowels that are normally long are regularly shortened when they occur immediately before another vowel (hence moneō instead of *monēō), before -m, -r, or -t at the end of a word.”
      laudat not laudāt
      laudant not laudānt

  • John Walker posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 3 days, 22 hours ago

    con[ti]quere (:conticuere) omn(es)

    “All fell silent…”

    Charcoal graffito on a wall of the Casa del Quattro, Stili Pompeii. Quoted from Virgil’s Æneid.

    http://ancientgraffiti.org/Graffiti/graffito/AGP-EDR125001

  • jzdro posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 4 days, 18 hours ago

    Magistri,

    It’s not possible to put up a photo in a Group post, i .e., here, correct?

    (Rick’s video embed must have resulted from pasting the video URL, correct?)

    If I have a photo as a takeoff point for a short self-tutorial in Latin language, should it all go up as a post on the regular feed?

    Pictures and stories help me remember things; I need all the little helps.

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 4 days, 20 hours ago

    Ordered the Workbook.

  • jzdro posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 4 days, 21 hours ago

    On the question of the usefulness of the Workbook available along with the Wheelock text, I’ll say I’m glad to have the Workbook. W6 has “Optional Self-Tutorial Exercises” for each Chapter bunched together at the back of the book, followed by Answer keys ditto.

    The Workbook both expands the set of exercises and comprises a convenient way to keep organized the written student responses.

    Doing both sets of exercises would be worthwhile, in particular for a slow learner and fast forgetter like myself.

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 4 days, 23 hours ago

    Bonis quod bene fit haud perit.

  • Roxie posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 5 days, 14 hours ago

    Festina lente, et solvitur ambulando.
    And jzdro, do you find the Wheelock workbook useful, worth ordering?

    • Hastening slowly?

    • I don’t know, because I have done no work! When I have done some work, I’ll pipe up.

    • The first,’ festina lente’, translates as ‘make haste slowly’. The second, ‘solvitur ambulando’, as ‘it is solved by walking’. Over the years, I’ve found both admonitions useful – especially when juggling too many chainsaws.

      And, dear jzdro, I admire your upfrontness (upfrontitude?) abot the workbook. I’ll see what comments it gets on amazon, right after I’ve actually read the preface and introductory material in the main text. Yes, I know I said I’d do that this weekend. It’s still Sunday….

  • Roxie posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 6 days, 19 hours ago

    My copy of Wheelock arrived in yesterday’s post. I’m more than slightly overwhelmed. Turns out there are several additions in the Wheelock series, including a workbook. TGIF, I can shortly pour a glass of veritas juice, relax, and read the preface/introduction.

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 6 days, 23 hours ago

    Causa latet, vis est notissima.
    The cause is hidden, but the result is well known.

    Causa= cause
    Causa, causae
    Noun, First, Nominative, Singular, Feminine

    latet= lie hidden
    Lateo, latere, latui
    Verb, Second, Third, Singular, Present, Active, Indicative

    vis
    est
    notissima= well known
    notus, nota -um, notior-or -us, notissimus -a -um
    Adjective, Superlative, First, Nominative, Singular, Feminine

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 1 week ago

    I will try to put these up so they can be read in the morning US time.

    Veritas odit moras.
    Truth hates delay.

    Veritas= truth
    Veritas, veritatis
    Noun, Third, Nominative, Singular, Feminine

    Odit = hate
    Odio, odire, odivi
    Verb, Fourth, Third, Singular, Present, Active, Indicative

    Moras= delay
    Mora, morae
    Noun, First, Accusative, Plural, Feminine

    • I didn’t realize “moratorium” came from “mora”, “delay”.


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  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 1 week, 1 day ago

    Dum docent, discunt.

    While they teach, they learn.

    Dum= while
    Conjunction
    Docent=teach, show, point out
    doceo, docere, docui, doctus
    Verb, second, third, plural, present, active, indicative
    Discunt= learn, hear, get to know
    disco, discere, didici, discitus
    Verb, third, third, plural, present, active, indicative

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 1 week, 2 days ago

    Vitanda est improba siren desidia.

    One must avoid that wicked temptress, laziness.

    Vitanda= avoid
    Verb Participle, First, Nominative, Single, Feminine, Future, Passive, Participle
    Improba= wicked
    Adjective, Positive, First, Nominative ?, Singular, Feminine
    siren=siren, temptress
    Noun, Third, Nominative, Singular, Feminine
    desidia= laziness
    Noun, First, Nominative, Singular, Feminine

    • Hey! You’re picking up fast.
      Now check out the construction “Vitanda est.” The construction is called a “passive periphrastic.” It implies obligation.

    • That “first” and “third” stuff that you’re seeing are the general families of Latin nouns (there are 5).
      There are two general types of adjectives, those with 1st & 2nd endings, and those with 3rd endings. Any type of adjective can be used with any type of noun: A 1st/2nd adjective could be used to modify any noun from any of the 5 families (sounds vaguely mafioso), as could a 3rd adjective.

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 1 week, 2 days ago

    What famous product is this?
    The red and white package was designed by the designer Frank Gianninoto. The emblem is placed on top of the pack and has the popular Latin expression Veni, vidi, vici (“I came; I saw; I conquered”), authored by Julius Caesar.

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 1 week, 3 days ago

    I will try to put up the Daily Latin Quote from my dictionary.

    Vae victis!
    Woe to the conquered!
    Vae= woe
    Victis= conquered
    Third person plural dative perfect passive participle (This is from the parser function.)

    If I remember right dative is the case for the indirect object.

    • Analysis:
      Vae = Woe (interjection, not declinable.)
      uictis = victis = To the conquered (indirect object, plural of victus-a-um the past participle of the verb vinco, vincere, vici, victum – conquer)


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    • I see we get the word “vincible” from this root.
      It is also in the third verb of “Veni, vidi, vici”
      “I came, I saw, I conquered”

  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 1 week, 3 days ago

    Guess this passage.
    Octavus iam et octogesimus annus est hic, cum maiores nostri novam in hac terrae parte rem publicam pepererunt, quam libertatis in condicione conceptam in illam consecrarunt sententiam: aequo nasci iure homines universos. Nunc vero ingenti bello civili inito nos experimur, haecne res publica vel alia, sic nata sic consecrata, per longum temporis spatium possit stare.

    • This is now the eighty-eight year, since our ancestors acquired a new republic on this piece of land, which having been conceived on the condition of liberty, they consecrated in that thought, that all men are born with equal right(s). Now truly with a giant civil war having begun we are testing whether or not this republic or another, so born, so consecrated, can stand for a long period of time.


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    • I’m kinda thinking that the original wasn’t in Latin.
      It does have a Ciceronian flare to it though.


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    • It is better in the original Klingon.


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  • 10 Cents posted an update in the group Group logo of S.P.Q.RatburgerS.P.Q.Ratburger 1 week, 3 days ago

    Dum inter homines sumus, colamus humanitatem.

    As long as we are among humans, let us be humane.

    • This is a good translation. It is a good moderate level example because the verb in the first phrase is in the indicative, the second is in the subjunctive.

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