TOTD 2018-04-20: How Does This End?

I happened on Erick Erickson’s twitter feed, and I was struck by how similar his attacks were to those I have grown accustomed to hearing from the Left.   His argument, in short, was that Christians should condemn Trump because he is not a good person.  It was much more smarmy than that.   It made me think about the feud in conservatism.  How will this end?   Many pundits have denounced their base in the vilest terms.  Where do they go from here?  Even if they drive Trump from office, people are not going to flock back to them.   Kurt Schlicter’s column is instructive.

I can offer some insight into the mindset, as I vitriolically hated Donald Trump in the primary.  I would have cheered his death – my Ricochet track record is pretty clear and cannot be hidden.  I actually left Ricochet after the Indiana Primary because I realized this was driving me crazy.   I thought he was a con man, or worse a Putin wannabe at the worst.  However, I never even considered voting for Hillary, as I thought she was worse in every possible way.

Then the election happened.  Then Trump starts bringing together a solid team, and delivering on his promises.  To say this was unexpected is a massive understatement.   Imagine mocking people for investing in a Nigerian Prince – then they got rich, and the prince moved to the US to open new businesses.  Said prince recruits an army to beat down Boko Haram, returning the girls safely, and cracks down on actual 419 scammers.  (Over a dozen off-shore pharmacies sunk!)

Facing this kind of scenario, you have two basic choices – admit you were wrong, or double down.  I recall asking TKC about how he saw all this coming, as I realized all of the pundits I read the most had blown this, and blown it big time.  Most pundits seemed to double down on despising Trump – to what end?  I have no idea where this is going to go, but this is not the kind of division you heal overnight.

I know I have stopped following most of the Never Trump types.  I followed Jonah Goldberg for a while, but as his column format became screwy, I lost interest in reading him.  Many of them actually seem deranged – Bill Kristol calling for anti-democratic oligarchy (from the man all about exporting democracy, no less) and Jennifer Rubin ranting about Trump doing things she asked for.  How do they expect to get an audience by alienating the half of the country that voted for the Orange Overlord?

Anyone have any ideas on this?

(Meanwhile our Jeffersonian and our Technolibertarian are in the corner stifling laughter.)

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16 thoughts on “TOTD 2018-04-20: How Does This End?”

  1. I have always thought that there have been honorable ways to oppose Trump. What bothers me is throwing out all your positions just to oppose him. Trump has done some terrible things in his past that I am not in favor of. He has also brought some wonderful people into government. My thinking has been that crazy as it sounds that Trump will do more for the conservative side than a true rock ribbed conservative.

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  2. I admire Omega for knowing it was best to get off the web because it was driving him crazy. It is not an easy thing to do.

    I love the Nigerian analogy. It was creative and had humor. Some of us only sad that we could not have bet Omega. I know of one person who had to buy flowers and few bottles of good hooch after the election.

    It always ends badly for people too proud to change. That can be on either side. People who considers others idiots often become idiots themselves.

    Good post, Omega.

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  3. NeverTrump pundits are doing fine.   The fact that they established credentials as “thought leaders” in the conservative community gives them standing.  Some of them work for outlets that are subsidized by the coastal elites who funded the Jeb! campaign.

    Everything they write that is critical of Trump gets picked up and passed along by Leftists.  This drives lots of clicks.  When they criticize Trump supporters, that gets passed along, too.   Especially if they are known Christians who criticize Christians who support President Trump as “hypocrites,” then Leftist mass media will pay to republish that trash.   NeverTrump is good for bidness.   (See the previous post.)

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  4. How does this end?

    I’m glad you asked, because I used to write about this at the bad place all the time.

    The gop is dead. Wait, that’s not really about the ending. But I do enjoy typing that, because I’ve grown to loath the gop thoroughly and well. Sorry, I just like typing that, because I really really hate the gop. It’s degenerated into nothing more than a swarm of globalist traitors seeking to stuff their own pockets at the expense of the nation, regardless of any future consequence to the Republic or the American people.

    Merchants have no country, etc.

    But I also used to be a guy who put up George Bush flyers at the steel mill I worked at, and had quite a few screaming matches political debates with democrats who I worked with or, often,  democrats whose work I did, because they wouldn’t. Good times, good times.

    In short, experience has changed me and my opinions. With age comes wisdom, etc.

    It isn’t just me. People I know who used to be run-of-the-mill rank-and-file Republicans are now watching Alex Jones videos and seeking out Q-anon posts. Formerly respected pundits like Jonah Goldberg or Bill Kristol are simply irrelevant.

    Statistics, yo. I think I’m smack dab in Trump’s bestest demographic- as are the people I reference- so I’m making my assertions on that basis, assuming that we think roughly alike. Of course this is a vast statistical smear, comprising the full spectrum from people who regard Trump as the God-Emperor to people who just think he should get the same benefit of the doubt that Obama did.

    My take- the heart of the GOP base has been radicalized. There’s no going back, despite what Reince rhymes with Heintz Priebus said a few days ago. The party can’t go back to its globalist ways, because the base won’t put up with it. I think the leftist base has also been radicalized, because no one has ever told them why they can’t have their cake and eat it too.

    Certainly not the gop.

    So: How is it going to end?

    With violence. Go read a book called The Fourth Turning– and draw your own conclusions.

     

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  5. I think we are in grave trouble.  I hope we have enough support among America’s voters to keep the White House.   Violence from Leftists can be dealt with.   Some blue cities will burn, but order can be restored.

    What I fear is that Americans will give the presidency back to the Treason Party.   Violence that comes from our side will get really ugly, in an anytime-anyplace sort of way.

    We need all the support we can get for Republican candidates, even the feckless quislings among them.   The struggle for political power has become a defining moment for our future.

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  6. Who knows what could happen? Things could be really good at the midterms. If there is a real deal with North Korea, even the Dems will have to say something nice. I mean after they come out of their fearmongering nuclear bomb shelters.

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  7. There is an event that will change everything coming. Who knows what it is, but after it happens, we will look back and say “Of course”. I could not see how the world got past a WWIII with nukes, and then the USSR collapsed.

    Things cannot continue as they are. I don’t see how we do not fall into killing each other in a real civil war, because that is what the Left is trying to summon.

    I pray another way will be given to us by God.

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  8. Erickson would make a good Pharisee. He’s loath to compliment Trump even when Trump does things he likes. Every time I read the self-important wailing of the NeverTrump crowd, I am reminded that hubris precedes nemesis. It is surprising how many pundits who preach virtue and tout their own morality lack the virtue of humility and lack the integrity to admit when they were wrong.

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  9. MJBubba,

    I take your point, but what I fear is that the presidency will simply cease to matter.

    As Kurt Schlichter has pointed out, California is teaching us that defying Federal authority is like totally cool.

    Precedents matter.

    The left used Bill Clinton to teach us that character didn’t count. Hence, Trump.

    They’re teaching us now that the Rule of Law doesn’t matter- bye bye attorney-client privilege, for example. Hence- who?

    Again, no one has ever told them that they can’t have their cake and eat it too, or warned them that turnabout is fair play. Again, certainly not the gop.

    Buckle up. Historic times are ahead.

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  10. Excellent post and comments!

    Schlichter sees clearly.  The Normals will take a lot of abuse, but then it’s over, and usually quite suddenly.

    This is the often ignored dynamic of the silent majority, taken to a nihilistic and existential new place.  I’ll pray with Bryan and others for a peaceful resolution, but I’m not optimistic.

    The GOP is done and done.  Bury the carcass.

    I started this chant back in my R days, and I’ll repeat it today: start thinking about a name for the new constitutional party.

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  11. The judges are going even further than before in seizing executive and legislative power.  Will the Dims and Chamber of Commerce GOP defy Trump on immigration.

    The main legit criticism of Trump is that he may not be doing enough to lobby Dims who are up for re-election in red states.  Maybe the Dims are buying off these people, but one would think that at least one Dim senator could have flipped on the ObamaCare vote.

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  12. Omega, remember that 93% of all communication is non verbal. Tone, gesture, body language, looks, attitude.

    While we believe we are logical creatures, we are constantly confronted with the fact that 93% of input to our brain overwhelms that 7% we think drives our mental process.

    Being a born New Yorker who moved out when I was 19, I understand that most real New Yorkers due to tone, accent, attitude and chutzpah automatically put off the rest of the population before a word is uttered.

    Trump is a classic New Yorker. You will notice the media people work very hard to not sound or act like New Yorkers, as that would affect their ratings.

    What happened in this last election cycle was many of us found out the messengers of our ideology were phonies. The public was tired of politicians who sounded phony.

    The dislike was so real that even a New Yorker looked good in contrast to the smooth liars we  were being fed.

    What happened was many associated their ideology with the personalities, and when the pundits turned out to be weasels, it created a dissonance that was actually painful. Many blamed that pain on Trump.

    However, New Yorkers who are genuine tend to grow on you, like the crazy uncle who is not that crazy and can be counted on to do what he promises.

    It is good to see you here at John and Dimes little version of  Ricks American Café.

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  13. TKC 1101:
    Omega, remember that 93% of all communication is non verbal. Tone, gesture, body language, looks, attitude.

    While we believe we are logical creatures, we are constantly confronted with the fact that 93% of input to our brain overwhelms that 7% we think drives our mental process.

    Being a born New Yorker who moved out when I was 19, I understand that most real New Yorkers due to tone, accent, attitude and chutzpah automatically put off the rest of the population before a word is uttered.

    Trump is a classic New Yorker. You will notice the media people work very hard to not sound or act like New Yorkers, as that would affect their ratings.

    What happened in this last election cycle was many of us found out the messengers of our ideology were phonies. The public was tired of politicians who sounded phony.

    The dislike was so real that even a New Yorker looked good in contrast to the smooth liars we  were being fed.

    What happened was many associated their ideology with the personalities, and when the pundits turned out to be weasels, it created a dissonance that was actually painful. Many blamed that pain on Trump.

    However, New Yorkers who are genuine tend to grow on you, like the crazy uncle who is not that crazy and can be counted on to do what he promises.

    It is good to see you here at John and Dimes little version of  Ricks American Café.

    Where’s “Ilsa”? You can’t have a cafe without “Ilsa”. The Minky plays the piano, right? The Vichy Police Chief is Haakon. (He likes Vichy.)

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  14. I have never understood Trump hatred.   Not feeling friendly towards him, dislike?  Yes.  Hatred?  Seems too personal, which means it is coming from somewhere other than Trump himself.  Or, perhaps, people are just using hyperbole in describing their feelings.  I don’t know.  To me they are behaving as children, or monsters, who have had their ball taken from them.

    I have never understood those who speak of President Trump having done ‘terrible’ things so to provide an explanation as to why they would not vote for or support the man.   Terrible things?  Did someone die?  Give me a factual ‘terrible’ thing you have first hand knowledge of or was proven in the courts to have been committed by him personally.

    Wait, don’t bother, unless his act was heinous, I suspect my reaction will be —  So what?  Who hasn’t?  And before any person puts up a hand as to say I haven’t, please define terrible, and then let’s walk together down your memory lane and see where we find ‘terrible’.  We are all imperfect, we have all made some bad decisions.

    Prior to the latest election season, I too could not have cared less about Mr. Trump.  I watched a few bits of a few episodes of his TV show (did not like it), usually did not listen much when he spoke or was on Fox News, did not like the sound of his voice (it grated on my nerves, still does usually) and I generally disregarded the man.  I did not take his candidacy for President too seriously at first, I thought is was some sort of stunt for ratings.

    But then something happened, over at another online café, I noticed a member named @TKC was supporting Trump and being consistently and persistently ‘attacked’.  This did not make sense to me, the level of ‘outrage’ against TKC made no sense.  So I started to pay attention.

    Then, I noticed the ‘dis-ease’ was everywhere.  There was no civil conversation to be found anywhere if politics were involved, particularly if Trump was the topic.  People seemed to be in a state of having broken completely with reality.

    So I kept reading the posts about Trump and the election (much of it quickly became positively vile if you disagreed with someone else’s opinion).  Eventually I began to believe in Trump’s campaign and I became a Trump voter.

    Despite people thinking they can read my mind or know my reasons, please know my support was/is not based on my personal opinion about the pleasantness of the sound of his voice, nor his business acumen, nor his tweets, nor his clearly, unfiltered impulses towards attractive women.   And while we are mentioning ‘women’, let’s not lie to ourselves.  Much of what he said about women applies to a larger percentage of women than we would like to admit as to their ‘willingness’, ‘tolerance’ and ‘blatant availability’ to men perceived to be very powerful/influential.  But who cares, all that stuff is superficial nonsense, not even good enough as an excuse, let alone a reason for anything.  I’m not saying it is ‘right’, just saying it ‘is’.

    No, my vote was/is based on the fact that 1.) when I did listen to him during the campaign, I completely agreed with him, 2.) it was blatantly apparent he loved this Country as much as I, and 3.) he quite possibly is as much a sworn enemy as I am of the communism/progressive religion that is, at the moment, succeeding in taking over the Republic.  I believe he too began to recognize, we are involved in a war.  And, he decided to stand up, assume the risk and enter the battle in a big way.

    My respect for him did not begin until it became obvious he was better at playing their game then they are, that he would fight back in terms and methods they understood, that he would not roll-over when times got really difficult, and, that he could and would do everything possible to set the stage for Us to Make America Great, no matter the personal cost to him.  He is a true loyal, public servant.  I applaud him.  I am grateful for him.

    However, I do not worship him; he is not a god.

    Trump is human, I don’t care.  Trump is imperfect, I don’t care.    To the best of his abilities, sometimes with his own resources, He fights for this Country and our liberty, He fights for U.S. Citizens, He fights for me, He is taking on my enemy for my benefit — this,  I care for greatly.

    I don’t know if Trump will get it right or not, but I believe he will do better than HRC ever wanted to do, I believe he is doing his best, giving his all as he attempts right this ship, despite a political party of weasels, a shallow, self-absorbed, ignorant public, and a administrative/elitist ruling class of big government lovers who seek constantly his destruction for purely selfish reasons — he, Trump, continues on his mission.   I wish I had Trump’s fortitude.  I feel small when I think of him because I know I do not.

    I don’t know how this ends.   We are well past 1984.   Can’t imagine the shrieking will cease until the enemy is conquered.  Pray to the Lord they self-immolate soon.

    How does it end, with regard to the coming elections?  I can’t see well enough through all the smoke to even  speculate.   But I prefer optimism to despair, gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes, and I still practice out on the range.

     

     

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  15. TempTime:
    I have never understood Trump hatred.   Not feeling friendly towards him, dislike?  Yes.  Hatred?  Seems too personal, which means it is coming from somewhere other than Trump himself.  Or, perhaps, people are just using hyperbole in describing their feelings.  I don’t know.  To me they are behaving as children, or monsters, who have had their ball taken from them.

    I have never understood those who speak of President Trump having done ‘terrible’ things so to provide an explanation as to why they would not vote for or support the man.   Terrible things?  Did someone die?  Give me a factual ‘terrible’ thing you have first hand knowledge of or was proven in the courts to have been committed by him personally.

    Wait, don’t bother, unless his act was heinous, I suspect my reaction will be —  So what?  Who hasn’t?  And before any person puts up a hand as to say I haven’t, please define terrible, and then let’s walk together down your memory lane and see where we find ‘terrible’.  We are all imperfect, we have all made some bad decisions.

    Prior to the latest election season, I too could not have cared less about Mr. Trump.  I watched a few bits of a few episodes of his TV show (did not like it), usually did not listen much when he spoke or was on Fox News, did not like the sound of his voice (it grated on my nerves, still does usually) and I generally disregarded the man.  I did not take his candidacy for President too seriously at first, I thought is was some sort of stunt for ratings.

    But then something happened, over at another online café, I noticed a member named @TKC was supporting Trump and being consistently and persistently ‘attacked’.  This did not make sense to me, the level of ‘outrage’ against TKC made no sense.  So I started to pay attention.

    Then, I noticed the ‘dis-ease’ was everywhere.  There was no civil conversation to be found anywhere if politics were involved, particularly if Trump was the topic.  People seemed to be in a state of having broken completely with reality.

    So I kept reading the posts about Trump and the election (much of it quickly became positively vile if you disagreed with someone else’s opinion).  Eventually I began to believe in Trump’s campaign and I became a Trump voter.

    Despite people thinking they can read my mind or know my reasons, please know my support was/is not based on my personal opinion about the pleasantness of the sound of his voice, nor his business acumen, nor his tweets, nor his clearly, unfiltered impulses towards attractive women.   And while we are mentioning ‘women’, let’s not lie to ourselves.  Much of what he said about women applies to a larger percentage of women than we would like to admit as to their ‘willingness’, ‘tolerance’ and ‘blatant availability’ to men perceived to be very powerful/influential.  But who cares, all that stuff is superficial nonsense, not even good enough as an excuse, let alone a reason for anything.  I’m not saying it is ‘right’, just saying it ‘is’.

    No, my vote was/is based on the fact that 1.) when I did listen to him during the campaign, I completely agreed with him, 2.) it was blatantly apparent he loved this Country as much as I, and 3.) he quite possibly is as much a sworn enemy as I am of the communism/progressive religion that is, at the moment, succeeding in taking over the Republic.  I believe he too began to recognize, we are involved in a war.  And, he decided to stand up, assume the risk and enter the battle in a big way.

    My respect for him did not begin until it became obvious he was better at playing their game then they are, that he would fight back in terms and methods they understood, that he would not roll-over when times got really difficult, and, that he could and would do everything possible to set the stage for Us to Make America Great, no matter the personal cost to him.  He is a true loyal, public servant.  I applaud him.  I am grateful for him.

    However, I do not worship him; he is not a god.

    Trump is human, I don’t care.  Trump is imperfect, I don’t care.    To the best of his abilities, sometimes with his own resources, He fights for this Country and our liberty, He fights for U.S. Citizens, He fights for me, He is taking on my enemy for my benefit — this,  I care for greatly.

    I don’t know if Trump will get it right or not, but I believe he will do better than HRC ever wanted to do, I believe he is doing his best, giving his all as he attempts right this ship, despite a political party of weasels, a shallow, self-absorbed, ignorant public, and a administrative/elitist ruling class of big government lovers who seek constantly his destruction for purely selfish reasons — he, Trump, continues on his mission.   I wish I had Trump’s fortitude.  I feel small when I think of him because I know I do not.

    I don’t know how this ends.   We are well past 1984.   Can’t imagine the shrieking will cease until the enemy is conquered.  Pray to the Lord they self-immolate soon.

    How does it end, with regard to the coming elections?  I can’t see well enough through all the smoke to even  speculate.   But I prefer optimism to despair, gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes, and I still practice out on the range.

     

     

    From the Left, the anger is because the apotheosis of their goals was at hand: the first woman President, the cementing of eight years of radical social change by Obama, the reversal of the Supreme Court towards a Leftward bent for a generation. All of this was snatched from them on the cusp of their grandest victory. (She had fireworks planned!)

    On the Right, there was not that same idea of the culmination of history, but there were a fair few who saw the writing on the wall. Saying one thing and doing another, being happy to be Democrat-lite instead of true Conservatives, the political party realized Trump meant what he said. The pundit class (especially those who have built their reputation as Temporizers! who have all sorts of reasons for why it’s never actually the time do anything) realized the gravy train was ending. They range from the pettiness of Goldberg and Kristol to the hysteria of Rubin to the self-immolation of Williamson to the irrelevance of Nichols and McMullin.

    The uniparty, the mindset of rule by an enlightened bureaucracy encompassing the leadership of both parties, where we edged ever-Leftward, and as long as no one rocked the boat too much everyone got a kickback for the bonhomie, realized Trump was an existential threat to the status quo. As they have more to lose than anyone with their sinecures and pensions dwarfing what the average American could ever hope to make, they are the most desperate to thwart his administration. They are all reaping what they have sown, for as we are all well aware, hubris precedes nemesis.

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