My Sayonara Message to Ricochet’s Happy Warriors Group

Sayonara to all:
This is my last full day at Ricochet. Tomorrow morning is the end of my subscription.
Thanks to all of you who have gone through all of the travails and joys and discoveries that Ricochet has brought into our lives. Ricochet is a great experiment and I wish it and you all well.
I think the biggest single problem that I see here is the tone deafness of the management regarding the stakes we are facing as a country. I’ve written a lot about the ineptness and the incompetence of the major leaders in the conservative movement. I think that this is the result of the success of libertarianism’s influence on the conservative and traditional elements in America.
The early relationship of Ricochet with National Review seems to be where the problem was born and where it lies now. There’s a cabal here that is determined to insist that: “Winning isn’t everything, you know.”
Second on the list is the way that moderators are used here. From TKC’s dismissal to MJBubba’s to Robert MacReynolds’ I watched these ridiculous and immature and too personal attacks go badly awry. I especially hated seeing them dismissed for what ended up being process crimes during the back and forth.
And finally, I think it’s the old absentee landlords’ problem of getting a strong leader in the day to day work — the COO, so to speak. Sorry to say this but this place needs a strong editor and one with a vision, clearly expressed. But, these types are busy elsewhere and I doubt they would move here to be in what is effectively a middle management slot with hard limits on what can be said and done.
Thanks again and God bless you all. I hope to meet many of you over the years in real life.

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99 thoughts on “My Sayonara Message to Ricochet’s Happy Warriors Group”

  1. This is a good a place as any to give this opinion. I wish the Happy Warriors would change their name back to Rabble Alliance. It offended me that some SJW wannabe thuggishly forced a name change.

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  2. 10 Cents:
    This is a good a place as any to give this opinion. I wish the Happy Warriors would change their name back to Rabble Alliance. It offended me that some SJW wannabe thuggishly forced a name change.

    Yes, I think it may have been TKC’s suggestion for the name change.

    Anybody know?

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  3. 10 Cents:
    I think what most people liked about Ricochet was Troy and Mollie. They made it fun.

    Ha! I said almost the same thing. Troy was a stabilizing force, or maybe I just prefer to remember it that way. Mollie interacted a lot more, too. I’m glad you guys have created this space. I would miss a lot of the wisdom and humor of former members.

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  4. Blondie:

    10 Cents:
    I think what most people liked about Ricochet was Troy and Mollie. They made it fun.

    Ha! I said almost the same thing. Troy was a stabilizing force, or maybe I just prefer to remember it that way. Mollie interacted a lot more, too. I’m glad you guys have created this space. I would miss a lot of the wisdom and humor of former members.

    Agreed.

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  5. Thanks for the shout-out, Larry.   I kept saying, right up until they banned me, that Ricochet was a worthy experiment in conservative social media.

    TKC 1101 formed Rabble Alliance in August of 2016.  Later that fall he appointed Columbo as an Administrator, as a succession plan, since the writing was on the wall that the management wanted TKC  out.   When TKC 1101 was banned (a shameful episode in Ricohistory), he asked Columbo to dissolve Rabble Alliance.

    In the shock, distress and confusion when Rabble Alliance disappeared, I invited all the former Rabble to join my private group, “Recriminators.”   Recriminators was a group of one member.  I had formed it in October of 2016, to stake out a little Ricoturf just in case Trump lost.   I was greatly relieved when Hillary did not become our president (I am still feeling that relief every morning).

    I had been using the group Recriminators as a place to post notices to myself about the bad behavior of the staff, as a log.   The staff hated the name, and they hated to see it pop up on the “recently active groups” list, which happened with increasing frequency as their behavior got worse and worse.

    Recriminators was available, so it became the alternative when Rabble Alliance was dissolved.  All of a sudden, Recriminators stayed permanently at the top of the list.  The name was too prickly to keep.  About three weeks after I opened Recriminators to my Rabble friends, we re-named the group as Happy Warriors.  I think it was Columbo that originally suggested the name.

    Ms. TempTime graciously became an Administrator of Happy Warriors.  After I was banned, I asked her to continue the group.  She has been a stalwart leader for all Ricochet members who support President Trump.

    Larry, you were a great presence at Ricochet, and I am glad to have you here, friend.

    I miss some of my R> Happy Warrior pals; the ones who have not yet made their way to Ratburger.org.   It appears that a third of all Ratburghers are members of Ratburger Happy Warriors.

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  6. Thanks for the historical synopsis of the Rabble/HW, MJB. Brings back memories. Gettin’ a little misty-eyed here.

    Ms. TempTime continues as our wise and gentle yet fearless leader. Mike LaRoche and I are backups in case something untoward should occur. Thanks to her for all the hard work. Current membership: 70.

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  7. Several months ago I said that something was missing on Ricochet. I hadn’t know about Ratburger then. I contributed it to the normal ebb and flow of Ricochet. Can anyone list the loses of Ricochet by name. Has it been mostly Trump supporters?

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  8. MJBubba:
    Thanks for the shout-out, Larry.   I kept saying, right up until they banned me, that Ricochet was a worthy experiment in conservative social media.

    TKC 1101 formed Rabble Alliance in August of 2016.  Later that fall he appointed Columbo as an Administrator, as a succession plan, since the writing was on the wall that the management wanted TKC  out.   When TKC 1101 was banned (a shameful episode in Ricohistory), he asked Columbo to dissolve Rabble Alliance.

    In the shock, distress and confusion when Rabble Alliance disappeared, I invited all the former Rabble to join my private group, “Recriminators.”   Recriminators was a group of one member.  I had formed it in October of 2016, to stake out a little Ricoturf just in case Trump lost.   I was greatly relieved when Hillary did not become our president (I am still feeling that relief every morning).

    I had been using the group Recriminators as a place to post notices to myself about the bad behavior of the staff, as a log.   The staff hated the name, and they hated to see it pop up on the “recently active groups” list, which happened with increasing frequency as their behavior got worse and worse.

    Recriminators was available, so it became the alternative when Rabble Alliance was dissolved.  All of a sudden, Recriminators stayed permanently at the top of the list.  The name was too prickly to keep.  About three weeks after I opened Recriminators to my Rabble friends, we re-named the group as Happy Warriors.  I think it was Columbo that originally suggested the name.

    Ms. TempTime graciously became an Administrator of Happy Warriors.  After I was banned, I asked her to continue the group.  She has been a stalwart leader for all Ricochet members who support President Trump.

    Larry, you were a great presence at Ricochet, and I am glad to have you here, friend.

    I miss some of my R> Happy Warrior pals; the ones who have not yet made their way to Ratburger.org.   It appears that a third of all Ratburghers are members of Ratburger Happy Warriors.

    Yeah, judgy for me, not for thee.

    I remember Colombo at the the time complaining  about having to change the name.  Why should a group name be so fearful to the staff?

    After 8 years, a company that is still considered “an experiment” is a failure by definition.

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  9. I never understood all the hubbub. It doesn’t seem very different from when Mollie was editor and some complained about her heavy hand. Folks complained that DocJay and others were banned, even though — however respectable their arguments — they refused to adapt to standards made clear from the beginning. If Peter and Rob wanted a relaxed dinner conversation, it was nobody’s right to insist Ricochet be a rowdy pub chat with lesser limits.

    TKC’s posts were promoted on almost a daily basis for a while. Still today, Hypatia and others cheer for Trump with every breath and are not merely tolerated but promoted. The editors tolerate criticism of Contributors all the time. There have been trolls on both sides, turning every conversation into a personal spat with a rival with comment after pointless comment expressing anger more than argument.

    I joined Ratburger simply because there are people here I enjoy talking with and it’s free. I am also still a Ricochet member. So far, every post I have read here could have been shared there.

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  10. Aaron Miller:
    I never understood all the hubbub. It doesn’t seem very different from when Mollie was editor and some complained about her heavy hand. Folks complained that DocJay and others were banned, even though — however respectable their arguments — they refused to adapt to standards made clear from the beginning. If Peter and Rob wanted a relaxed dinner concersation, it was nobody’s right to insist Ricochet be a rowdy pub chat with lesser limits.TKC’s posts were promoted on almost a daily basis for a while. Still today, Hypatia and others cheer for Trump with every breath and are not merely tolerated but promoted. The editors tolerate criticism of Contributors all the time. There have been trolls on both sides, turning every conversation into a personal spat with a rival with comment after pointless comment expressing anger more than argument.

    I joined Ratburger simply because there are people here I enjoy talking with and it’s free. I am also still a Ricochet member. So far, every post I have read here could have been shared there.

    Aaron, I don’t remember the suspensions and the bannings. I think Kenneth was the only one banned during Mollie’s time. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    I also don’t remember threads being shut down during that time. It seemed there was a political bent to that censorship. Hecklers could not only impede but stop the conversation. Threads were just deleted so they are down some memory hole.

    In your own words “The editors tolerated criticism of Contributors all the time.” but was it encouraged?

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  11. Good post, Larry.  I tired of Ricochet very early; it’s been at least 2-3 years, maybe more.  I left for a simple reason.  When they started charging for what became a GOPe echo chamber it no longer passed the cost-benefit equation.

    But I enjoyed a lot of the people, many of whom I discovered are here.  So I was delighted when Dime informed me of Ratburger’s existence.

    I guess I bailed on Ricochet before things went south.

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  12. Tom Lindholtz:
    Good post, Larry.  I tired of Ricochet very early; it’s been at least 2-3 years, maybe more.  I left for a simple reason.  When they started charging for what became a GOPe echo chamber it no longer passed the cost-benefit equation.

    But I enjoyed a lot of the people, many of whom I discovered are here.  So I was delighted when Dime informed me of Ratburger’s existence.

    I guess I bailed on Ricochet before things went south.

    You were missed.

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  13. 10 Cents:
    Aaron, I don’t remember the suspensions and the bannings. I think Kenneth was the only one banned during Mollie’s time. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    Ricochet has been around… what, 7 years? Kenneth was the first as I recall, and banned for the same reason DocJay was later banned (or perhaps just driven away, though he came back). Both are very insightful and fun characters, but they simply couldn’t accept Ricochet for what it has always been. I told Jay as much during his hiatus.

    The CoC reflects a more conservative than libertarian approach to debate, if that’s a fair summary. The manner of speech can be regulated while the content remains free. Being a Southerner myself with that kind of Victorian structure engrained, the approach doesn’t seem restrictive to me. Like rules in a boxing match, the limits don’t prevent a zealous fight.

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    I also don’t remember threads being shut down during that time.

    Perhaps after the SSM debates had become redundant? In those early days, I don’t recall so many threads calling out the editors and contributors, often by name. Publicly challenging moderators on a forum is likely to result in blowback on any forum  — especially a paid subscription service that has financial incentives to manage PR.

    I wasn’t aware of Bubba’s pro-Trump group. “Happy Warriors” is something I’ve seen referenced many times, but I always thought that was an informal tag for proud Trump supporters, rather than a formal Group on the site. I didn’t know, or had forgotten, that Bubba was banned. I’m not even sure who the editor is these days. That’s how little I pay attention to this stuff.

    Ricochet hasn’t attracted me as much as it used to. I even considered not renewing last time. But it was due less to the site itself than to losing interest in politics generally.

    10 Cents:
    In your own words “The editors tolerated criticism of Contributors all the time.” but was it encouraged?

    Why would it be? It’s not like critics have been reluctant to share their thoughts. A private message to Peter, Rob, or James — not laden with invective — would be more productive than a public rant. If the rant or message is ignored, there is no point to repeating the complaint.

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  14. Aaron Miller:
    Why would it be? It’s not like critics have been reluctant to share their thoughts. A private message to Peter, Rob, or James — not laden with invective — would be more productive than a public rant. If the rant or message is ignored, there is no point to repeating the complaint.

    A good healthy exchange of ideas should be encouraged.

    Aren’t a lot that passes for commentary a form of “a public rant”? Are some public rants to be preferred to others? Promoted even?

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  15. Aaron Miller:
    Ricochet has been around… what, 7 years? Kenneth was the first as I recall, and banned for the same reason DocJay was later banned (or perhaps just driven away, though he came back). Both are very insightful and fun characters, but they simply couldn’t accept Ricochet for what it has always been. I told Jay as much during his hiatus.

    I have read from many people that it started in 2010 so maybe it is closer to 9 years.

    I don’t think this is a fair comparison. Kenneth and DocJay are very dissimilar. I heard Kenneth was mainly banned for continuous attacks on one member. Is this right? I was unaware of DocJay doing the same. I agree DocJay was unfiltered at times. 🙂

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  16. 10 Cents:

    Aaron Miller:
    Ricochet has been around… what, 7 years? Kenneth was the first as I recall, and banned for the same reason DocJay was later banned (or perhaps just driven away, though he came back). Both are very insightful and fun characters, but they simply couldn’t accept Ricochet for what it has always been. I told Jay as much during his hiatus.

    I have read from many people that it started in 2010 so maybe it is closer to 9 years.

    I don’t think this is a fair comparison. Kenneth and DocJay are very dissimilar. I heard Kenneth was mainly banned for continuous attacks on one member. Is this right? I was unaware of DocJay doing the same. I agree DocJay was unfiltered at times. 🙂

    Speaking of J anyone know how he is doing?

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  17. Aaron, you’d need to see what was going on to understand. No reason to hash it out now but there were some very childish and bullying things done. In the light of day – but you had to be there.

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  18. Larry, it is good to see you here. The whole Ricochet thing for me was the rapid descent into a parody of Animal House, with Rabble Alliance and the NeverRights playing Deltas and Omegas, ending with a stupid and futile gesture.

    I have higher hopes for Ratburger to at least becoming Blazing Saddles.

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  19. DocJay sent me an email.

    He is on a break from social media and wants to focus on family.

    He wrote this:

    Kenneth was a very cruel man. I am an inherently kind one, albeit not always sane, and I have never been banned or even put in time out.  

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  20. I don’t like the thinking behind “both sides do it”. It gives the impression that no one started it. Yes, people respond in kind after they were “punched”.

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