TOTD 2018-10-23: Lincoln Quotes

He can compress the most words into the smallest ideas of any man I ever met.

If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?

If this is coffee, please bring me some tea; but if this is tea, please bring me some coffee.

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.

Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves.

When you have got an elephant by the hind leg, and he is trying to run away, it’s best to let him run.

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13 thoughts on “TOTD 2018-10-23: Lincoln Quotes”

  1. Love me some Lincoln.  In volume 5 of the Bruce Catton audiobook (Vol 3 in print) The Civil War.  Lee is about to surrender.  Then the trouble really begins.

    Lincoln, it seems to me, showed the way to correct Constitutional interpretation — follow the letter of the law when you can, and when you cannot, look to the Declaration of Independence for light to read the law better.

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  2. Robert A. McReynolds:
    You forgot the ones about colonizing the freed slaves back to Africa and the one about how blacks aren’t intellectually capable to sit on juries and such. St. Lincoln.

    Hi — I haven’t forgotten those (can’t speak for Dime), but they really do not matter much in measuring the man.  I am not a religious person: I do not buy into beatification, I know that we are flawed, I know that that includes me, and it includes those whom I admire greatly.  It makes no point to burn The Emancipator down because of some Diversity Committee microaggression.

    To the point — I do not require a person to be perfect in order to consider him an awesome role model.  Lincoln was a product of his times who also changed those times.

    Lincoln Rocks.

     

    Lee was also a great man — one of the finest Generals we have produced.  I stopped at a roadside marker where he camped just before Appomattox, last time I was in VA with any spare time.  I wanted to do so before the Jacobins order the site razed and the earth salted.

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  3. Robert A. McReynolds:
    You forgot the ones about colonizing the freed slaves back to Africa and the one about how blacks aren’t intellectually capable to sit on juries and such. St. Lincoln.

    And how would you have viewed slaves if you had lived in that time? Would you have fought for their rights or would you have been a slave owner? What did your ancestors do? I honestly don’t know how I would have responded. I probably would have gone with the flow and followed the example my parents had laid before me. (Honest questions. )

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  4. I would have said that folks are free choose their own way and spared the bloodshed. Slavery is a wicked thing but so too is war. I certainly would not have prosecuted a war outside the bounds of the Constitution on the excuse of expediency. I would not have provoked war, tyrannized political opponents, and threatened the Chief Justice with arrest on zero grounds. Lincoln was a tyrant who gave us our “imperial” presidency.the US would have gotten on just fine without the slaving 11. Instead they were America’s First Crusade. From Richmond to Kabul you see.

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  5. Robert A. McReynolds:
    I would have said that folks are free choose their own way and spared the bloodshed. Slavery is a wicked thing but so too is war.

    I prefer war to slavery.  I do not accuse you of supporting slavery or wishing oppression upon “other” peoples, but making the distinction between people matters little when the issue is is the freedom to choose our own way.  Where shall we draw the line between those who will be free and those who will not?  You simply call the war unconstitutional, but the constitutionality of secession was an open question, which was closed firmly by war after the failure to answer it by law.

    Lincoln’s House Divided speech is an amazing indictment of a government conspiracy to enshrine slavery in the United States, using the power of government against the people.  I view Lincoln’s actions and words consistent with the liberty-loving, self-determining principle which we all hold dear — it must apply to all of us.  I will produce or largely re-produce a post on this.

    Meanwhile, on preferring war to slavery:

    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse.  When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.
    — John Stuart Mill

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  6. A hollow sentiment if not willing to go to war with China to liberate those people. Or do we only liberate those in countries where we can win? The crusade aspect of that war is a myth cooked up to induce support for our slaughter of Indians, philipinos, WWI, Vietnam, Iraq II, and every little military action between. War is usually unnecessary and meant only to empower the state over the people.

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  7. Haakon Dahl:
    Try looking up the origin of this quote:

    “Freedom is wasted on him who will not make others free.”

    It is not my job to have others live the way I want them too especially by force. That sounds more like a Leftist tenet than a liberty minded one.

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  8. 10 Cents:

    Haakon Dahl:
    Try looking up the origin of this quote:

    “Freedom is wasted on him who will not make others free.”

    That deserves its own post. I like the idea.

    I ran a whole blog dedicated to the idea.  It was called haakondahl.com.  The quote is mine.  The recent spate of posts I put up on Lincoln etc are from the blog.  Most posts there are now hidden, having gone through several iterations of working for this or that aspect of the gummint.  In many places, I was explicitly, partisan-ly political, which is okay when I am on one side of the fence, but not the other, so I exercise my rights more freely when consistent with my employment agreement, and I refrain from some expression when appropriate.

    I need to get in there and sort things out “once and for all”.  You know — some day.

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  9. Robert A. McReynolds:

    Haakon Dahl:
    Try looking up the origin of this quote:

    “Freedom is wasted on him who will not make others free.”

    It is not my job to have others live the way I want them too especially by force. That sounds more like a Leftist tenet than a liberty minded one.

    Robert, “freedom” is never forcing people to live your way. I might agree that “make others free” sounds like coercion but I am taking it to mean helping people in bad situations. We have human trafficking now and people are not free. If someone kidnapped a family member and one talked about liberty and did nothing to help them is the analogy.

    Robert, would you personally prefer chattel slavery for you and your family compared to war? It depends on the war of course. How about a child sold off to the sex trade? People don’t care about the status quo when they are doing well. They can wait.

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