America is an Idea

The absurdity of this is that conservatives couldn’t even conserve that.

If America is an idea, then socialists are not American.

If America is an idea, that Antifa are not American.

If America is an idea, then the Public School system is thoroughly unAmerican.

But they are Americans. And the ideas in their heads that run contrary to our founders’ ideas need to be dealt with and not ignored.

We need to stop pretending that they aren’t a threat here. We need to stop pretending that importing thousands from socialist countries is going to keep us free.


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22 thoughts on “America is an Idea”

  1. 10 Cents:
    I am missing something. Who says “America is an idea”? I though America was a country.

    America is a country. If that is all you think America is you are absolutely missing something.  America was, and yet remains, an ideal (idea) in the views of the Founders. They left us a Constitution with provisions to change what they left us or we can use it to preserve the ideal. This is part of what makes America more than a country. There are ways to reduce America to be only a country. We are working on that.

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  2. While the United States is a country, America is also an idea or ideal. The images below resonate more than mere nationalism to me, they imply a sense of sacrifice as the price of freedom.

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  3. 10 Cents:
    I am missing something. Who says “America is an idea”? I though America was a country.

    Bono:

    https://www.aei.org/publication/bono-america-is-an-idea-thats-how-we-see-you-around-the-world-as-one-of-the-greatest-ideas-in-human-history-2/

    “America is an idea, not a race,” [Senator] Graham said….

    Rishabh Bandari and Thomas Hopson:

    https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/strangled-by-identity

    Michael J. Koplow:

    America Is An Idea

    Joe Scarborough:

    https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2018/09/13/hey-joe-america-is-not-an-idea-n2518291

    Michael Cyrus Pousti:

    https://www.amazon.com/America-idea-American-Dream-everyone/dp/0692510397

    And that is just the first page.   There were over two million hits on a Google search:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=%22America+is+an+idea%22&oq=%22America+is+an+idea%22&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.13425j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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  4. Stina:
    If America is an idea, than socialists are not American.

    Socialism is an anti-American idea.   The Pilgrims tried to live communally, and they were all Christians who entered the arrangement voluntarily.  It was an abject failure that was abandoned after the first year.   From that time until the Progressives of a century ago, Americans all generally agreed that communal living was a bad idea, and it was only ever practiced in America among some of our more kooky religious cults.

    Americans were in agreement with the sentiment of St. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 3:10:

    For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

    The Left has so corrupted American society that half of our voters are now supporting Socialists.

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  5. MJBubba:

    10 Cents:
    I am missing something. Who says “America is an idea”? I though America was a country.

    Bono:

    https://www.aei.org/publication/bono-america-is-an-idea-thats-how-we-see-you-around-the-world-as-one-of-the-greatest-ideas-in-human-history-2/

    “America is an idea, not a race,” [Senator] Graham said….

    Rishabh Bandari and Thomas Hopson:

    https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/strangled-by-identity

    Michael J. Koplow:

    Joe Scarborough:

    https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2018/09/13/hey-joe-america-is-not-an-idea-n2518291

    Michael Cyrus Pousti:

    https://www.amazon.com/America-idea-American-Dream-everyone/dp/0692510397

    And that is just the first page.   There were over two million hits on a Google search:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=%22America+is+an+idea%22&oq=%22America+is+an+idea%22&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.13425j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Bubba, thanks for the links.

    This comes down to definitions. America is a noun. That means it is a person, place, thing, or idea. I think of America as primarily a place. American democracy is an idea.

    Does anyone on this thread say this about another country? Ex Australia is an idea.

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  6. Stina:
    If America is an idea, that Antifa are not American.

    Agreed.

    Being anti-fascist is not inconsistent with being American.   But AntiFa is not anti-fascist.   That is what they claim, but that claim is a lie.   They are anti-conservative and anti-American.   They use “fascist” as a dishonest label for conservatives, especially white conservatives.   AntiFa is Leftist and racist and lawless.   America is a nation of laws; that is part of the idea of America.

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  7. 10 Cents:
    This comes down to definitions. America is a noun. That means it is a person, place, thing, or idea. I think of America as primarily a place. American democracy is an idea. Does anyone on this thread say this about another country?

    I have never thought of any other nation as primarily definable by an idea.   None come to mind, though perhaps there are candidates.   I think of China as characterized by a lack of individuality, as opposed to the individual liberty that characterizes America.   Individualism is part of what separates Western thinking from Eastern thinking, so there is a little bit of that in all the western nations, but it was America that first embraced individual liberties as an essential element of national character, and the conservatives of America still embrace individual liberties as a core element of American society.

    This is what makes the Left so offensive to us.   They think they will accomplish something that would be good for us in the long run.   We think that they are wrong in their thoughts about how their goals would actually play out, but we are more offended by the fact that they want to implement their plan by crushing individual liberties.

    The very desire for equality of outcomes is anathema to the concept of individual liberties, so I am in absolute agreement with Ms. Stina’s Original Post.

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  8. Stina:
    If America is an idea, than the Public School system is thoroughly unAmerican.

    Yes; this is also something worth noting.   The idea that parents do not know what their kids should be learning is fundamentally an unAmerican concept.

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  9. Angelo Codevilla wrote a recent article about how former immigrants came to America because to some extent they thought of themselves as Americans, i.e., they understood America as an idea and identified with it. It was more than a nation or an ethnicity, but a way of life, a frame of mind, a set of beliefs. Earlier immigrants were self-selecting in that they came here to be part of that and adapt rather than demand America change to conform to their old home and culture.

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  10. The Sinistral Bassist:
    Angelo Codevilla wrote a recent article about how former immigrants came to America because to some extent they thought of themselves as Americans, i.e., they understood America as an idea and identified with it. It was more than a nation or an ethnicity, but a way of life, a frame of mind, a set of beliefs. Earlier immigrants were self-selecting in that they came here to be part of that and adapt rather than demand America change to conform to their old home and culture.

    Yes. I think America’s ascendance as an economic and military power has changed what motivates many to want to come here from weaker or poorer countries.

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  11. Bob Thompson:

    The Sinistral Bassist:
    Angelo Codevilla wrote a recent article about how former immigrants came to America because to some extent they thought of themselves as Americans, i.e., they understood America as an idea and identified with it. It was more than a nation or an ethnicity, but a way of life, a frame of mind, a set of beliefs. Earlier immigrants were self-selecting in that they came here to be part of that and adapt rather than demand America change to conform to their old home and culture.

    Yes. I think America’s ascendance as an economic and military power has changed what motivates many to want to come here from weaker or poorer countries.

    When my German forebears left their homes and traveled to America in the 1850s, they were not thinking that they would have better lives than what was available to them in Germany.   They came in order to enjoy a key benefit that America offered, which was the free exercise of their religion.   (The German government had started collecting tithes on behalf of the church, and my ancestors objected that it would lead to government meddling in church affairs.   They were right; Bismarck decided that, since the government was providing the funds for the church, then the government should decide who would be bishops and seminary professors.   The end of that was a disaster for the German churches and a national apostasy that allowed the rise of Naziism.)

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  12. Of course America is an idea.  That’s what’s at the heart of the American Exception.  Also called the Great Experiment.  I have written on this before, and will find some of it, but for now:

    America is an idea.  The country is where we make the idea happen.  The borders are where we defend the idea (nominally).

    The Constitution is not neutral between points of view — it *is* a point of view; an idea.  When in doubt about the meaning or proper execution of the Constitution, see the Declaration for context.

    Those with a sworn duty to support and defend the Constitution are beholden to support the idea, and defend its practice.

    As America is an idea, promoting that idea is American.  Opposing that idea is un-American.  Working to destroy our constitutionally defined American system is anti-American.

    There are obviously some points of view, some activities, some clever manipulations of otherwise constitutional means which are, in fact, un-constitutional and in some cases, anti-American.

    The NPV compact is one of these.  So is standing down our border defenses.  So is unrestricted immigration without any expectation for immigrants to accept America as it is.  So is voting without citizenship.

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  13. Haakon Dahl:
    Of course America is an idea.  That’s what’s at the heart of the American Exception.  Also called the Great Experiment.  I have written on this before, and will find some of it, but for now:

    America is an idea.  The country is where we make the idea happen.  The borders are where we defend the idea (nominally).

    The Constitution is not neutral between points of view — it *is* a point of view; an idea.  When in doubt about the meaning or proper execution of the Constitution, see the Declaration for context.

    Those with a sworn duty to support and defend the Constitution are beholden to support the idea, and defend its practice.

    As America is an idea, promoting that idea is American.  Opposing that idea is un-American.  Working to destroy our constitutionally defined American system is anti-American.

    There are obviously some points of view, some activities, some clever manipulations of otherwise constitutional means which are, in fact, un-constitutional and in some cases, anti-American.

    The NPV compact is one of these.  So is standing down our border defenses.  So is unrestricted immigration without any expectation for immigrants to accept America as it is.  So is voting without citizenship.

    Stina:
    But they are Americans. And the ideas in their heads that run contrary to our founders’ ideas need to be dealt with and not ignored. We need to stop pretending that they aren’t a threat here. We need to stop pretending that importing thousands from socialist countries is going to keep us free.

    I want to make an additional comment here that links these statements. I think this provides a complete picture of how I form my position on the issue of immigration and it is my judgement that it comes close to matching President Trump’s position. Immigration to America should be open to all who will adopt and defend the idea embodied in the Constitution and explained in the Declaration. Those trying to come here to spread marxism/socialism don’t qualify. Those coming here to live off the dole, as is a very common expression in Great Britain, don’t qualify. Immigrants should not be obviously public welfare cases at the time of immigration. We know what an asylum refugee is and we should allow that but strictly enforced. Nothing in the above is racist. Immigration should happen under something resembling the above and should only be legal when done according to established procedures, otherwise those entering America from foreign lands are illegal. There is a distinction between legal and illegal and it should be enforced. It’s really not complicated as I see it.

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  14. Bob Thompson:
    Nothing in the above is racist.

    Racist.   You want to keep brown people down.

    That is what they will say; that is what they say about President Trump and all of his supporters.   Be wary; the Enemy of the People still has the power that comes by having a direct pipeline to the ears of many voters.   They have been advancing the anti-Americanism of the Left for many decades, and it is only in the internet age that their undermining has been revealed.

  15. Bob Thompson:

    MJBubba:
    Racist.   You want to keep brown people down.

    Oh. Why have I been married to a native(non-European) Peruvian for 53 years?:-)

    The question is why has she been married to you. I grew up with brothers so this is how I would answer. “Her seeing eye dog must like you a LOT, Bob.” 🙂

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  16. Sorry I disappeared after posting this.

    Thank you for the comments.

    I’m still waking up so I’ll process these thoughts later… if time allowing.

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  17. Stina:
    Sorry I disappeared after posting this.

    Thank you for the comments.

    I’m still waking up so I’ll process these thoughts later… if time allowing.

    Time’s up!

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