Geno from The Bronx Takes Rush to the Woodshed

Geno from The Bronx should have his own radio show.  On Thursday’s Rush Limbaugh show, at the end of the third hour, he called in and gave Rush an almighty hiding about Rush’s advice to conservatives to avoid the conservative label, which admittedly has a PR problem.  Now I see Rush’s point, and his advice is not necessarily bad, but there is also, as Geno points out, an aspect of ceding ground to the creeping left.

Rush:

“Progressive,” without even being accurately defined sounds wonderful! Progress, moving forward, current, advanced. Only good things. Conservative means you don’t like anything new, you’re trying to hold on to the past, you’re trying to save things, and you’re not trying to expand, you’re not trying to learn, you’re not trying to grow, you just — you just closed-minded. And so my thought is to stop using the term, stop describing yourself as a conservative, proudly or otherwise. Don’t label yourself at all.

‘Cause the minute you do, a certain percentage of these left wingers just gonna stop listening to you, and they’re going to think whatever they have been told to think about you, before they ever get to know you. But if instead of being seen as a conservative because you never identify yourself as such, you instead focus on solving problems […].

The issue with this is one I have pointed out many times over the previous 10-12 years, namely that the left is not impressed with arguments, that they argue not to engage in dialogue, but to delay, deny, and defeat opposing points of view in a way that has nothing to do with facts, logic or words.  The right argues to convince — after all we have the better arguments.  The left argues to shut down arguments.  It is no accident that you cannot pin a leftist down on facts, or even get them to stay on topic.  One (that is to say, two) cannot have a conversation if the topic cannot be defined, and the left is not interested in conversation, but in victory.

Rush has accurately diagnosed one of the problems with the term “progressive”, but he habitually deals with this by calling them liberals instead.  This is unfortunate, because the recent meaning of the term “liberal” in American discourse means leftist, whereas its classical meaning is rich in history of opposing top-down power.  By rights, small-government conservatives are classical liberals, in the same way that Robin Hood was a conservative — he stole not from “the rich”, but from a confiscatory government.  He handed those riches not to “the poor” but to the merchants of the town and those who tilled the earth and shoveled the poop — Robin Hood was a tax reform activist, and a liberal in the classic sense — his time was the classical era.

Progressivism and its definition is a topic I will take up in another post.  Rush would do well to get on board the Haakon Dahl wagon of calling progressives what they are.  If we defined *their* label better, the contrast with our label would stand much more clearly.  In an era of powerful, centralizing government, from the Wilson administration through the present, conservatism is inherently liberal — in the classical sense.

Geno from The Bronx has had enough, and takes Rush to task for advising that we drop the term “conservative” from our discourse with those for whom the term is poisoned.  While I do see great utility in seeming to come from nowhere until a conversation is established, and discretion is not at all a bad habit to develop — give away less information than you gain, and take the other person to task for his position’s lack of merit, rather than make a claim and withstand the attack — the fact is that the rest of that conversation does not happen.  They are not listening, and they do not want to.  All we will have accomplished by dropping the label of conservative from our ideological business card is to drop a flag in the dirt, and walk away as if it were not ours.

Geno (much text snipped throughout — go read the whole wonderful thing):

Rush, I’m very disappointed in you and in fact, quite honestly, I’m angry with you because of what you told that lady two days ago and what you told the other call today earlier today in the program.

I’m here to tell you it’s time for you to go back to the way you were and take back what you said today! Because I’m gonna give it to you straight. I live in the Bronx. I’m on the front lines. I every day have to confront left-wing lizards and brain-dead Bolsheviks! And they give me a hard time every day, but I get right back in their face and I tell ’em, “You go to hell!”

And now you gonna tell me that I should back down and that I should somehow say, well, I’m not a conservative, but I’m a problem solver because I should fear these fools that are out there. No, Rush. It’s time for you to get back to basics.

[To progressives: ] You’re an imbecile, you’re an idiot, you’re a jackass and you’re gonna help destroy our country from within, if we listen to the crap that you’re trying to tell us.

So I’m gonna give you an opportunity right here and now, Rush, on your own show to take back what you said to that lady yesterday and earlier today, otherwise what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna come and I’m gonna take that microphone away from you and gonna be the Jay Leno to your Johnny Carson!

Admit you’re wrong and do it right here, right now.

After some back and forth, Geno also announced that he was gonna come down to Florida, take the mic from Rush, and Rush told him it was open line Friday tomorrow (today), and that he was welcome to take over.  “I haven’t taken a vacation this year.” Geno also let Rush know that a long-promised Chicken Parmesan dinner for Rush and his wife was no longer available, and that Mr. Snerdley would get the dinner before Rush ever would unless Rush recanted.

I’ll see if this audio snippet becomes available.  I may extract a bit of the under Fair Use provisions, to give a full sense of the tone of the call.  Meanwhile, the whole transcript is available at the link in the first paragraph of this post.  And I would love to hear Geno on the show on Friday.

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14 thoughts on “Geno from The Bronx Takes Rush to the Woodshed”

  1. I worry that conservatives run out of ammunition because they spend so much time fighting among themselves. Internal fights are interesting to those on the inside but I doubt they help to win the major battle.

    I am not sure where I come down on this debate. I do think the cause should do better at messaging but I also think there are parts that think watering down the message is what is needed. If you change to get more people in have they really come in or have you come out?

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  2. In short, Progressives FEEL, Conservatives THINK.  Never the twain shall meet, and we have to learn to appeal to emotions and not reason, or we will lose every time.

    For example, don’t talk about “economic growth” or “fiscal/tax reform”.  Say you want people to keep more of their paycheck.

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  3. I think we should own the label “conservative.”   I want to conserve individual liberties, conserve civil society, conserve Western Civilization, conserve peace and prosperity, conserve traditional values, and conserve my own little share of the American Dream.   I make no apologies for that.

    On the other hand, I think we do not need to adopt “progressive” as the label of choice for Leftists.   I use “Leftist” with a capital letter because for many of them it is their religion.   Most of them cannot define what “progressivism” is, anyhow.

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  4. We need to own the title “American Citizen, Free and Brave” and screw the gum flapping ideologues. The battle is over a nation of free citizens versus global serfs.  “Progressive” and “Conservative” are window dressing.

    I would rather stand next to a working labor union socialist who believes in the rule of law and America first than the free trade elitist academics who destroyed our manufacturing base based on flawed ‘conservative” ideology.

     

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  5. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what we call ourselves. Whatever we choose, the Marxists will equate it with “NAZI,” and their useful idiot NPCs will repeat it.

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  6. Rick Poach:
    At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what we call ourselves. Whatever we choose, the Marxists will equate it with “NAZI,” and their useful idiot NPCs will repeat it.

    NAZI! (Oops, I think I fell for Rick’s trap. I’ve been Poached. ) 😉

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  7. I’ve probably said this before but conservatives, right-wingers, nationalists, whatever, need to get as nasty and hostile as leftists and stop somehow pretending that those folks don’t hate America, Americans, and foreigners who don’t hate America, every bit as much as Hollywood vampires hate Holy Water.

    Leftists are, vile, evil, scum. They’ve turned Cuba into a ruin- which ignorant leftist idiots imagine is an improvement over the situation circa 1960- and utterly destroyed Venezuela, since about 2000.

    Someone should tell the American people about all that. The leftist media certainly won’t.

    Know why?

    Because they’re vile, evil, scum. Just like all the other leftists.

    Murderous, loathsome, corrupt, lying, deceitful scum.

      

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  8. Xennady:
    I’ve probably said this before but conservatives, right-wingers, nationalists, whatever, need to get as nasty and hostile as leftists and stop somehow pretending that those folks don’t hate America, Americans, and foreigners who don’t hate America, every bit as much as Hollywood vampires hate Holy Water.

    Leftists are, vile, evil, scum. They’ve turned Cuba into a ruin- which ignorant leftist idiots imagine is an improvement over the situation circa 1960- and utterly destroyed Venezuela, since about 2000.

    Someone should tell the American people about all that. The leftist media certainly won’t.

    Know why?

    Because they’re vile, evil, scum. Just like all the other leftists.

    Murderous, loathsome, corrupt, lying, deceitful scum.

      

    This

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  9. Haakon Dahl:
    Geno from The Bronx has had enough, and takes Rush to task for advising that we drop the term “conservative” from our discourse with those for whom the term is poisoned.

    I think both Geno and Limbaugh are incorrect because they paint with too broad a brush allowing ‘progressives’ to lump millions of people beneath a single label. The more specificity the better.

    I have always referred to myself as a fiscal conservative but may be less devoted to social issues. This is pointed out in most political discourses in which I engage but frustratingly, my verbal combatants continue to accuse me of abandoning women’s rights or worse. I may likely never change this state of affairs, but I have to continue to try simply because sound fiscal policy can be an easier sell than differing moral values.

    Example: Don’t get in a fisticuffs about illegitimacy (my #1 pet peeve) for personal reasons but for the havoc it is wreaking on American communities. Turn the argument back on the liberals by using the horrifying statistics coming out of south Chicago. Ask why they are wasting time on law abiding gun owners that follow strict regulations already on the books and demand to know their game plan to shut down the thriving illegal arms market that contributed to the murder of over 700 teenage gang members in a four block radius this year. While you’re at it, throw in the stat that 80% of underground gun sales are committed by the very drug dealers libs are attempting to include in their latest prison reform initiatives.

    Counter ever popular racist accusations with the fact that black on black crime is staggeringly high. (See above.)

    Donald Trump proved you can win elections using facts and pragmatic solutions but he can’t do it alone. In addition to promoting people such as Jim Jordan in the House, we have to own and educate others on the practical aspects of conservatism.

    Limbaugh is wrong to abandon the term ‘conservative’ and Geno is wrong to throw the term around loosely without specific explanations as to its meaning among varying factions of those who self-describe as such.

    MJBubba:
    On the other hand, I think we do not need to adopt “progressive” as the label of choice for Leftists.

    I also wholeheartedly endorse this comment because Webster’s defines this word as one who advocates innovation and improvement. Au contraire!

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  10. MJBubba:
    I think we should own the label “conservative.”

    Yes, it would be profitable to fight back, first by disallowing conservative as synonym for ignorant, benighted bigot, and next by putting forward immediately that conservatives will conserve our freedoms and the mechanisms that preserve our freedoms.

    I fail in this so often, as I am so readily taken aback. Somebody whom I had thought a friend attacks me for some position, and I am stunned. Reply or riposte comes hours or days later.  This has to do with the Rush Limbaugh stance, I think: rather than shrink from saying the name, contra Rush, say it and be ready to explain and promote it, even if you have to shut the door of your office and practice saying the words.

    On the other hand, I think we do not need to adopt “progressive” as the label of choice for Leftists.   I use “Leftist” with a capital letter because for many of them it is their religion.

    Here again, for a person raised to be polite and complaisant, practice is the thing.  Practice saying Leftist with the scorn it deserves.  Oh, and for extra practice, I shall use the form so-called,  as in so-called Progressive, like that racist Democrat President Wilson who got so-called Progressivism going.

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  11. Haakon Dahl:
    discretion is not at all a bad habit to develop — give away less information than you gain, and take the other person to task for his position’s lack of merit, rather than make a claim and withstand the attack

    Thank you for this nugget of wisdom.  I’m one who needs to internalize it in a remedial manner!

    Also, thanks just for the news roundup.

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  12. Turn the argument back on the liberals by using the horrifying statistics coming out of south Chicago.

    Nobody gives a rat’s anus about Chicago- not even the people living there- and if they want to murder each other, let them. If they are displeased with that situation they should take it up with the one-party state that rules them. Since I see no evidence that they are, I suggest that we stop worrying about their interests and worry about ours.

    That is, the left is attempting to de-legitimize the entire concept of self-defense, with an eventual goal of making it  illegal. I note for one example the ceaseless bleating we endured about Trayvon Martin and the stand-you-ground laws, which in no way applied to that case at all- but the left is still lyingly claiming that it did, because of course they are. We should tell the truth about that, continuing on to  mention England, where people are afraid to interfere with burglars ransacking their homes fearing they’ll be sent to jail if they do so. And, also, we should mention just how often leftists have failed to stop mass murders despite extensive warning, as in the demonrat stronghold of Broward County. Finishing up, discuss Portland, where antifa thugs are beating people who refuse to obey their lawless demands.

    Bottom line- there’s a cornucopia of truthful examples we can use to convince people not to vote for leftists, but I suspect telling people how much sympathy we have for democrats isn’t one of them.

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  13. Xennady:

    Nobody gives a rat’s anus about Chicago- not even the people living there- and if they want to murder each other, let them. If they are displeased with that situation they should take it up with the one-party state that rules them.

    Oh I certainly agree, but I’d enjoy watching Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Van Jones sit on the hot seat for once as their hypocrisy is openly exposed. The MSM (incl Fox) allow leftists to dance around that issue as they scream “Racist” at everybody else. Retreat is not the answer.

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