12 thoughts on “This Pretty Much Says it All”

  1. I’ve never been able to think of the discussion as about ‘populism’ anyway. If the choice comes down to one of ‘universalism’ or ‘tribalism’, I choose the latter. If meaning in life is sought, I think it is individual people, not groups, who are seeking that meaning. I see a lot that I recognize in the linked material provided. I sense that a better direction lies in smaller political entities and it looks as if work is going on with that in mind in both the eastern and western hemispheres. It would be nice to win people over with ideas that are attractive and right instead of having to spend all our time attacking the ideas that are wrong and destructive.

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  2. Yeah I am not interested in whatever “ism” we attach to our desire for freedom. I think like you, that smaller political entities are preferable to some ubiquitous far away centralized authority attempting to make decisions for people who are completely detached from the decision makers. If anything that is why we find ourselves in the political predicament we are in, we are trapped in a system where a small sliver of the national community with absolutely zero knowledge about the lives of the vast majority over which they rule make the rules for that vast majority.

    As for seeking meaning, that is also a product of our current situation. It seems that one half of our populace have accepted the federal government as their lord and savior while the half still holds on to something else, whether that be Jesus Christ or anything mentioned in the piece I linked. I think, but for the small portion who seem genuinely immersed in a relationship with Christ, people are seeking anything to fill the void left and they feel isolated. Isolated people tend to be willing to do anything to not be isolated because humans are a social being.

    I feel like I am rambling here. I just felt like this piece really touched me intellectually and was pretty spot on in describing our current situation.

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  3. Rambling?

    Yes, rambling came to mind, but I thought it was R. Dreher who was rambling in the linked article.   It was long and meandered much more than he usually does, trying to tie some pretty disparate items together.   Which, I suppose he does, but I bet he wishes he had spent a few more hours editing that one.

    If y’all are rambling, it is because you were set upon a ramble by Dreher.

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  4. I was sort of disappointed in R. Dreher for not putting up a more robust defense of Christianity.

    And, yes, our listless and directionless culture is suffering on account of post-Christian confusion.   The lack of certainty has made America weak.   The Left has been wedging Americans away from our religious roots, seeking to replace Christianity with a myriad of foolishnesses.    When they don’t believe in Jesus, they will fall for anything.

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  5. MJBubba:
    I was sort of disappointed in R. Dreher for not putting up a more robust defense of Christianity.

    And, yes, our listless and directionless culture is suffering on account of post-Christian confusion.   The lack of certainty has made America weak.   The Left has been wedging Americans away from our religious roots, seeking to replace Christianity with a myriad of foolishnesses.    When they don’t believe in Jesus, they will fall for anything.

    I always feel comforted when I consider Chesterton’s ideas and pronouncements related to subsidiarity and distributism, ideas with very significant Christian influence.

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  6. MJBubba:
    If y’all are rambling, it is because you were set upon a ramble by Dreher.

    Yeah, I went back and forth and reread several parts just trying to see if I could put it all together. In the end, I thought it did contain some valuable perspectives on how we let things get beyond our ability to cope.

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  7. I’m sorry, but there are two alternatives here. You can push for some kind of universalist vision bringing everybody together, or you can have tribes. There’s not a third option. If you don’t want universalism, then you just have to accept that various forms of open white nationalism are eventually going to become a permanent feature of politics. 

    That is not what the Founders thought. They believed in nationalism and an assimilation of values regardless of tribe or ethnicity.

    We all rightfully dismiss universalism or “globalism” as nonsensical, but tribalism is truly a serious threat to peace and prosperity. See: Sunnis vs. Shia and Tutsis vs. the Hutus.

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  8. EThompson:
    tribalism is truly a serious threat to peace and prosperity. See: Sunnis vs. Shia and Tutsis vs. the Hutus.

    This simply recapitulates the aphorism, expressed as an equation:
    proximity+diversity=war

    The context of the quoted passage is identity politics. Those words are all over the extended quote* in the linked piece. Indeed, the next paragraph is

    If the Left can’t let go of identity politics, then let me be clear: What comes next is on THEM. A lot of us don’t want to live in a world of tribes, and we never asked for it. But people will like those young dudes attracted to white nationalism are going to play the game according to the rules as they find them, and they will play to win. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

    Identity politics and assimilation are mutually exclusive; that’s his point. The quoted author is not using universalism as a synonym for globalism. By “bring everybody together” he means everybody in the country, not the whole world.

    *N.B.: The referenced quotes are not the words of Rod Dreher, the author of the post. He’s quoting someone else.

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  9. A bit rambling, but the topic is disheartening and fright inducing to a thoughtful person.

    We are devolving into the Eloi and the Morlocks and like the Hutus and the Tutsis, there may be no way to continue as one people.

    America required a shared vision of freedom, a set of beliefs we could all grasp.

    I see downright evil being openly preached by the opposition, things alien to those key core beliefs.

    Thought control, mob defined correctness, identities built on skin color and gender not character and liberty.

    Diversity IS NOT a way of life or virtuous in itself.

    There is no healing but war or surrender.

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  10. drlorentz:
    The context of the quoted passage is identity politics.

    Identity politics is the modernized version of tribalism but just as dangerous because it provokes riots and unruly protests such as OWS that destroy community businesses.

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