Stunning (and I don’t say that very often) Political Correctness Ruins Student Debate

Two high school students debated two other high school students.  The judge won:

Our heroes’ attempts at debate were met with a “slam” style reading of leftist poetry which was credited as an argument from “lived experience” by the racist judge of the debate.  The poetry was mercifully not captured on video, as our narrator Micheal Moreno explains, and things just went downhill from there.  The number of times which an ostensible “judge” should have told the opposing side to shut up and debate quickly rises beyond the practically countable.  I wound up re-winding several times trying to pick audio out from the multiple voices clamoring to get through.

The leftists, being the natural shouters, won the “dabate” after it was called off due to Moreno’s side citing Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro as sources.  The judge simply asserts without justification that people like Peterson and Shapiro, and you and me as well, dear reader, are white supremacists, haters, Nazis.  That is not a conclusion arrived at through any process — that is an axiom held by the framers of the debate, a principle which may not be challenged within the debate, under penalty of having the debate terminated and a victory awarded to those whose argument consisted of an angry poetry reading.

From the video description and comments:

This occurred at the Arizona State Invitational tournament, January 4th-6th. The debate topic was “Resolved: The United States Federal Government should substantially reduce restrictions on legal immigration”. Me and my partner Weston Burnett were assigned the negative position. When the affirmative ran slam poem instead, we went for framework/topicality with voters for education and fairness. They dismissed our fairness claims because we were white and had ‘causticity’. We then started recording. The cases ran are accessible at this link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6rfnb5apmh0…

While both my coach and principle agree that what happened was wrong, they have advised me not to post this video, – mainly out of unwarranted legal threats they have faced – but this is on my own volition and I will not be silenced. In order to speak the truth, you have to left go of the outcome. The faces have been blurred per YouTube’s privacy requirements and the recording is protected under Arizona’s one-party consent law. It does not infringe on any FERPA laws as it does not 1) directly relate to the students and 2) is not maintained by an educational institution.

UPDATE: YouTube has notified me that a privacy complaint has been filed against my video for 4:5617:47, and that it could possibly be removed in 48 hours once they review the claim. The faces were blurred and nothing in the video makes them uniquely identifiable, we have not violated any privacy policy. This is an abuse of YouTube’s complaint system and an attempt to silence us.

And the follow-up

This young man, Michael Moreno, is one to watch.  We’ll see more of him — the forces of history will not be denied.

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22 thoughts on “Stunning (and I don’t say that very often) Political Correctness Ruins Student Debate”

  1. I’m only about halfway through, but I have to say if I were 30 years younger, I’d really go for this guy! Makes me feel somewhat better for our country that he and others like him exist. Also, I’d have to punch that girl out! She is just irritating and has no actual argument for her side. Just shut down the debate because I don’t agree with you! And WTH is psychological violence? Grow up!

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  2. I didn’t like his comment that “(college) girls shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions and coaches/athletes should be criticized for propagating a certain culture.”

    Puh-leeze. I was the sports editor of my college paper. I was liked and respected by our college QB and snared a damn good interview with the infamous Bear Bryant. I was treated with nothing but respect because I earned a reputation as a serious and knowledgeable student of the game.

    If you don’t believe me, channel the late Bo Schembechler who granted me an hour long interview as a high school senior editor along with his QB Rick Leach. One of the proudest moments of my life? The Bo complimented me on a question about his offensive line (before fans recognized how important a role they played).

    It was very cool stuff. The boys acted like gentlemen because I behaved as a lady and did not present as an identity icon.

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  3. That kid in the first video (I presume from the YouTube link that his name is Michael Moreno) is a fast-talker who puts John Moschitta to shame.

    I appreciate how fast his internal clock must run, but he needs to speak at a pace his audience can understand.  I say that as one who had that problem in public speaking my whole career.

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  4. EThompson:

    Blondie:
    I’m only about halfway through, but I have to say if I were 30 years younger, I’d really go for this guy!

    True dat. Even after my comment at #4.  🙂

    I knew we had similar taste. 😉

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  5. John Walker:
    That kid in the first video (I presume from the YouTube link that his name is Michael Moreno) is a fast-talker who puts John Moschitta to shame.

    I appreciate how fast his internal clock must run, but he needs to speak at a pace his audience can understand.  I say that as one who had that problem in public speaking my whole career.

    The problem appears to be that scoring of high school debates had, long before this PC crap, devolved into who can read the most evidence into the record so as to satisfy a judge scoring via a checklist.

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  6. ctlaw:
    The problem appears to be that scoring of high school debates had, long before this PC crap, devolved into who can read the most evidence into the record so as to satisfy a judge scoring via a checklist.

    Yes – another debasement of another aspect of culture.

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  7. The students should sue the school for subjecting them to racial harassment. The governor should also investigate.

    It was absurd listening to the judge take the position that the male students’ speech was racial violence while ignoring the explicit racial harassment from the females.

    Then, the tournament director told the students that they had to deal with the judge’s bias.

    Unless this is stopped by government action, as the left pushes their political correctness down from the college level, it is only a matter of time before some kid’s father takes a baseball bat to one of these teachers.

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  8. I am glad this young man posted this and commend him for his bravery, but what kind of debate is this. Are they trying to speed through the quotes to get as much in during the time allowed? but the problem is that you can barely understand what he is saying. Is this new style of debate?

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  9. Mate De:
    Are they trying to speed through the quotes to get as much in during the time allowed? but the problem is that you can barely understand what he is saying. Is this new style of debate? LIKE 0

    I think MLR agrees with you at comment #11. I got most of what Moreno was saying but fellow member Blondie and I were slightly distracted.

    We bad.

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  10. Mate De:
    Are they trying to speed through the quotes to get as much in during the time allowed?

    https://www.wired.com/2012/01/ff-debateteam/

    My guess is that, at some point, rules were rigidified with two purposes: reduce subjective judging; and train the kids to be complete and rigorous in their research with need for precise citation of authority, etc. The law of unintended consequences led to the fast talking style.

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  11. Mate De:
    I am glad this young man posted this and commend him for his bravery, but what kind of debate is this. Are they trying to speed through the quotes to get as much in during the time allowed? but the problem is that you can barely understand what he is saying. Is this new style of debate?

    I understood him pretty clearly and yes, since time began, debaters have been encouraged to make their arguments by the clock. I don’t necessarily disagree with this because it promotes precision of speech and an ability to cite the facts in an expedient manner.

    I’ve mentioned her before, but Elizabeth Dole was a great speaker because she understood you lose your audience after 20 minutes. I took her advice when I had to make an important corporate presentation and received excellent fiscal results afterwards. People remembered the key components to executing a successful business and it showed in my annual P&L.

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  12. Mike LaRoche:
    Sold! 😎

    Just know you made me giggle here especially since I’m used to discussing Napoleon, FDR’s foreign policy or Trump’s vision for the world with you.

    Yet you carry, smoke cigars, and love cheerleaders. We’re the Odd Couple indeed.

    🙂

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  13. EThompson:

    Mike LaRoche:
    Sold! 😎

    Just know you made me giggle here especially since I’m used to discussing Napoleon, FDR’s foreign policy or Trump’s vision for the world with you.

    Yet you carry, smoke cigars, and love cheerleaders. We’re the Odd Couple indeed.

    🙂

    Indeed we are!

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