Big If Real: Navy Files Patent on Room-Temperature Superconductivity

A long-term technological holy grail is room-temperature superconductivity.  Normal electrical conductors have resistance, and convert part of the electrical energy that flows through them to heat, which is lost.  Superconductivity, a consequence of quantum mechanics, allows an electrical current to flow without any resistance at all, and would allow efficient transmission of electricity over long distances, more efficient motors, and magnetic levitation for devices such as high speed vehicles.

Superconductivity was discovered experimentally in 1911, but was not explained theoretically until 1957 by Bardeen, Cooper, and Schrieffer, who shared the 1972 Nobel Prize in physics for their theory.  The early superconductors required very low temperatures to operate: on the order of the temperature of liquid helium (around 4° K).  It is very expensive to produce liquid helium and keep it liquid: while liquid nitrogen costs about as much as milk; liquid helium costs as much as Scotch whisky.

In 1986 two researchers at IBM Zürich, Georg Bednorz and K. Alex Müller, discovered that some ceramic materials became superconductive at around the temperature of liquid nitrogen (77° K).  They immediately won the Nobel prize for this discovery the next year, but to this day there is no satisfactory theory for how this high-temperature superconductivity works—it is a major unsolved problem in theoretical physics.  Milk is a lot cheaper than Scotch (you can buy as much liquid nitrogen as you wish at your local welding supply shop—just bring a thermos), and there are substantial technological applications of this phenomenon even though we haven’t a clue how or why it works.

But still, liquid nitrogen is messy to deal with.  The ideal would be a superconductor that worked at room temperature without the need for refrigeration.  That’s something you could potentially use to replace copper and aluminium wire in power lines and all kinds of electrical equipment, permitting transmission of power without loss and waste heat.  So far, this has eluded everybody who has attempted to discover it.

On 2019-02-21 a U.S Patent Application, US 2019/0058105 A1 “Piezoelectricity-Induced Room Temperature Superconductor” [PDF], was filed on behalf of the U.S. Navy which claims that by abruptly vibrating a conductor by means of pulsed power it is possible to achieve room-temperature superconductivity.  The patent application modestly notes,

The achievement of room temperature superconductivity (RTSC) represents a highly disruptive technology, capable of a total paradigm change in Science and Technology, rather than just a paradigm shift.  Hence, its military and commercial value is considerable.

There is a great deal of speculation in the patent application as to the mechanism which might cause the electron pairing that produces the superconductivity, but there is no specific claim of a mechanism.  No experimental data are presented to substantiate the claim of superconductivity.

Ratburger member and physicist Jack Sarfatti’s quick take, in an E-mail to his list of correspondents, is:

This seems consistent with my Frohlich pump proposal.
“An electromagnetic coil is circumferentially positioned around the coating such that when the coil is activated with a pulsed current, a non-linear vibration is induced, enabling room temperature superconductivity.”
The pulsed current coil is the resonant Frohlich pump.
 
The effective non-equilibrium temperature of the pulsed device is
 
T’ = T/(1 + k(pulsed current power)]
 
T is the ambient thermodynamic equilibrium temperature when the pulse is switched off.
 
Applying the pulse lowers the effective temperature to the critical temperature Tc for the onset of superconductivity (macro-quantum coherence).
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164 thoughts on “Big If Real: Navy Files Patent on Room-Temperature Superconductivity”

  1. I don;t understand the point you are making WRT to the supposed radar observations from a Navy ship.  Is there some part of tit that you contest?  Which part?  Observation, interpretation, explanation?  Something else?

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  2. Haakon Dahlsays:
    #51 2019-02-27 at 04:36 UTC  [Quote]

    I don’t understand the point you are making WRT to the supposed radar observations from a Navy ship.  Is there some part of that, that you contest? 

    No, of course not.

    Which part?  Observation, interpretation, explanation?  Something else?

    I have explained using standard Einstein general relativity how the Tic Tac has a kinematic acceleration of almost 6,000 g according to USS Princeton radar while there is zero g-force inside the Tic Tac. This is precisely what happens in the Alcubierre warp drive model. It is characteristic of warp drive- indeed a signature of it.

    The basic equation is the geodesic equation

    Dx^u/ds^2 = d^2x^u/ds&2 – {Levi-Civita Connection}^uvw (dx^v/ds)(dx^w/ds) = 0

    The covariant derivative proper acceleration Dx^u/ds^2 is the local g-force felt as weight on board the Tic Tac. It is zero in this case. The kinematic acceleration d^2x^u/ds&2 is what the radar and the pilots see with EM radiation signals. The Levi-Connection field {Levi-Civita Connection}^uvw (dx^v/ds)(dx^w/ds) is the effect of the local warping of space-time at the location of the ship x^u (center of mass).

    I believe it is your contention that the Tic-Tac is made of normal earthly materials,

    I never said any such thing. I don’t know how you came up with that conclusion. Details of the recovered materials are classified in the possession of Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis. From the little they have been able to say the material is not made with current nano-tech. I understand it is a meta-material with nested lattices within lattices some as small as an Angstrom lattice spacing maybe smaller. I would like to see the complete documents of course.

    which mass about as much as they ought to,

    I don’t understand the meaning of the above fragment.

    and that the contents should normally be subject to all inertial phenomena.  After all, we have rejected sense (1) of inertia-less whatnot.

    Yes, we reject (1).

    I think you are confused here on basic physics of Einstein’s theory. All test particles move the same way on timelike geodesics (free fall, free float, weightless) independent of their rest mass m. This is true classically when quantum corrections are small.

    Now as far as “UFO material, one of my friends worked for CIA around 1968 and actually had possession of some of this kind of material for a few days. It was incredibly light he said almost weightless for its size. He is a metal sculptor with a foundry and he subjected it to a few tests and he said it was unlike any material he was then familiar with.

    I further believe that you contend (correct me if I misapprehend you) therefore, without some effect taking place, the craft and its occupants would normally be subject to the accelerations described in your comment immediately above.

    This is basic general relativity. Anyone in free-fall is weightless. Look at the Alcubierre warp drive paper, that is the basic idea here. The crew inside the Alcubierre Star Ship is weightless because they are able to compress the space metric at the bow and expand it at the stern and simply free float through this metric field distortion they create locally. Problem is G/c^4 is so small because c is so big that it takes enormous energy to do so. That is the space-time stiffness barrier like the old sound barrier that I claim can be broken and is broken in the US Navy Tic Tac encounters (more than one I am told).

    Something must cause the craft to behave in one way and not the other.  Something must select a chosen geodesic from an infinity of infinities of possible geodesics, and cause inertial motion along that geodesic to be the actual inertial motion (seemingly non-inertial) undertaken.

    Good, you at least caught the distinction that the apparent acceleration of the Tic Tac as seen by the radar and the F18 pilots Fravor et-al with far field EM radiations is not the same as the local g-forces experienced inside the Tic Tac.

    Obviously, it’s the choice of the pilot at the controls as in any craft. How is this relevant? The “pilot” may be a conscious AI embedded in the ship’s fuselage and interior itself. It need not be a biological entity – autonomous drone. It may not even be “conscious” but I have my own reasons to suspect it is.

    The common-sense model in my head is thermodynamics. 

    No wonder. Classical thermodynamics has little to do with what I am talking about.

    The mass/energy which causes the most familiar of inertial paths on this planet (Lisa!) is substantial.  Any deviation from those geodesics requires the input of energy, and a mechanism for expressing it.  Thermodynamics applies in both a Newtonian and non-Newtonian context.  No matter what, the bill will be paid.

    Sorry old chap, but you have not understood important parts of what I have argued. I suspect you are not able to follow the equations. You are quite correct that it requires an enormous mass, i.e. mass of the entire Earth to create the free-fall universal acceleration g = 9.8 meters/sec^2 at surface of earth a distance r from the center g = GM/r^2 = (G/c^2)E/r^2  where E is the total energy. Now if you are Q in Star Trek, or simply some guy doing a computer simulation and if you want to keep g and r fixed and you are able to make c as small as you like, you will need less and less E to to accomplish the task. That is the basic idea here. It’s basically the algebraic equation  1 = xy where y = E, x = (G/gc^2r^2), use c -> 0 as the variable making x bigger as y -> 0.

    Said another way, the basic reason so much energy E is needed to warp the metric field at Earth’s surface is precisely because c is so large in Einstein’s field equation

    Guv = (8piG/c^4)Tuv

    E is a spatial integral over T00 in the Newtonian limit of General Relativity.

    You have the confused idea that the First Law of Thermodynamics is violated by what I am proposing. That is completely false.

    Local conservation of energy in the sense of Thermodynamics is obeyed in these equations as Tuv^;v = 0.

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  3. For the record (partial resend)

    JASON Defense Advisory Panel Reports

    JASON is an independent scientific advisory group that provides consulting services to the U.S. government on matters of defense science and technology. It was established in 1960.

    JASON typically performs most of its work during an annual summer study, and has conducted studies under contract to the Department of Defense (frequently DARPA and the U.S. Navy), the Department of Energy, the U.S. Intelligence Community, and the FBI. Approximately half of the resulting JASON reports are unclassified.

    The fact that the Salvatore Cezar Pais’s Navy Patents 2018 – 19 essentially give away the 2004 UAV “Tic Tac” Tech along similar lines to my own independent work is not a meaningless coincidence.

     Paul was with DIA at this 2008 meeting.

    From: Paul Murad
    Reply-To: Paul Murad
    Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 6:13 AM
    To: JACK SARFATTI <jsarfatti@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: DOD JASON on HFGW & latest “patents” from US Navy by Pais

     Jack:

     For my speculation, I think Ron torpedoed the effort…

     I would ignore JASON and work in the technical community.  Yes, this is a disadvantage but just the same, I was not very pleased about what was going on…

     Paul

    Re: https://www.ratburger.org/index.php/2019/02/24/big-if-real-navy-files-patent-on-room-temperature-superconductivity/comment-page-2/#comment-33042

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROJ8hQBDHJM

    The JASONS were right in 2008 assuming G/c^4. They are wrong in 2019 because of the “Tic Tac” metamaterials with susceptibility resonances that significantly soften the space-time stiffness allowing low power warp drive (actually observed here by Chief Petty Officer Kevin Day and other US Navy USS Princeton radar room personnel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-hkQAG9tHE  ) and efficient two-way transduction between EM and G fields (Gertsenshtein Zeldovitch and all that see also related papers by Ray Chiao https://academictree.org/physics/publications.php?pid=64801).

     

    On Monday, February 25, 2019, 8:41:15 PM EST, JACK SARFATTI <jsarfatti@aol.com> wrote:

     

    Jack Sarfattisays:

    #38 2019-02-26 at 01:07 UTC  [Quote] 

    OK, now I remember. Here is a commentary on the DOD JASON REPORT disputing it. I recall JASON debunked claims of Gertsenshtein effect in the context claimed. I was actually physically at this JASON meeting at General Atomics in La Jolla in 2008 as a guest of the organizer Dr Ronald Pandolfi of CIA Science Technology Directorate. I had been at a previous JASON meeting around 1967 at UCSD La Jolla organized by Keith Bruckner.

    Correction. I think Pandolfi was on leave from CIA to MASINT ODNI then:

    14. ABSTRACT

    JASON was asked by staff at the National MASINT Committee of ODNI to evaluate the scientific, technological, and national security significance of high frequency gravitational waves (HFGW). Our main conclusions are that the proposed applications of the science of HFGW are fundamentally wrong; that there can be no security threat; and that independent scientific and technical vetting of such hypothetical threats is generally necessary. We conclude that previous analysis of the Li-Baker detector concept is incorrect by many orders of magnitude; and that the following are infeasible in the foreseeable future: detection of the natural “relic” HFGW, which are reliably predicted to exist; or detection of artificial sources of HFGW. No foreign threat in HFGW is credible, including: Communication by means of HFGW; Object detection or imaging (by HFGW radar or tomography); Vehicle propulsion by HFGW; or any other practical use of HFGW. For the relatively weak fields in the lab, on the Earth, or indeed in the solar system (far from the cutting-edge science of black holes of the Big Bang), the general theory of relativity and its existing experimental basis are complete, accurate and reliable.

    OK, I need to take a close look at both sides of this issue, because since then, a new possibility has emerged not known in 2008, namely an enhancement of the very weak G/c^4 coupling of mass-energy to gravity curvature in Frohlich pumped meta-materials with negative permittivity and permeability and with additional resonances in them i.e.

    G(permittivity x permeability)^2/c^4

    where c is the vacuum speed of light.

    This could be the game changer.

    Disputing JASON Report on High-Frequency Gravitational Waves – Gravwave.com

    http://www.gravwave.com/docs/JASON%20Report.pptx


    OK, here is the actual JASON report

    https://fas.org/irp/agency/dod/jason/gravwaves.pdf

     Possibly related papers by Ray Chiao (student of John Archibald Wheeler and Charles Townes ret. from UC Berkeley).

    arXiv:gr-qc/0304026  [pdfpsother

    gr-qc

    Search for quantum transducers between electromagnetic and gravitational radiation: A measurement of an upper limit on the transducer conversion efficiency of yttrium barium copper oxide

    Authors: R. Y. ChiaoW. J. FitelsonA. D. Speliotopoulos

    AbstractA minimal coupling rule for the coupling of the electron spin to curved spacetime in general relativity suggests the possibility of a coupling between electromagnetic and gravitational radiation mediated by means of a quantum fluid. Thus quantum transducers between these two kinds of radiation fields might exist. We report here on the first attempt at a Hertz-type experiment, in which a high-Tc superconductor (YBCO) was the sample material used as a possible quantum transducer to convert EM into GR microwaves, and a second piece of YBCO in a separate apparatus was used to back-convert GR into EM microwaves. An upper limit on the conversion efficiency of YBCO was measured to be 1.6×105 at liquid nitrogen temperature. 

    arXiv:1712.08680  [pdfother

    arXiv:gr-qc/0303100  [pdfpsother

    gr-qc

    Conceptual tensions between quantum mechanics and general relativity: Are there experimental consequences?

    Authors: R. Y. Chiao

    AbstractOne of the conceptual tensions between quantum mechanics (QM) and general relativity (GR) arises from the clash between the spatial nonseparability of entangled states in QM, and the complete spatial separability of all physical systems in GR, i.e., between the nonlocality implied by the superposition principle, and the locality implied by the equivalence principle. Possible experimental consequences of this conceptual tension will be discussed for macroscopically entangled, coherent quantum fluids, such as superconductors, superfluids, atomic Bose-Einstein condensates, and quantum Hall fluids, interacting with tidal and gravitational radiation fields. A minimal-coupling rule, which arises from the electron spin coupled to curved spacetime, leads to an interaction between electromagnetic (EM) and gravitational (GR) radiation fields mediated by a quantum Hall fluid. This suggests the possibility of a quantum transducer action, in which EM waves are convertible to GR waves, and vice versa.

    arXiv:gr-qc/0303089  [pdfpsother

    gr-qc

    Time and Matter in the Interaction between Gravity and Quantum Fluids: Are there Macroscopic Quantum Transducers between Gravitational and Electromagnetic waves?

    Authors: Raymond Y. ChiaoWalter J. Fitelson

    AbstractMeasurements of the tunneling time are briefly reviewed. Next, time and matter in general relativity and quantum mechanics is examined. In particular, the question arises: How does gravitational radiation interact with a coherent quantum many-body system (a “quantum fluid”)? A minimal coupling rule for the coupling of the electron spin to curved spacetime in general relativity implies the possibility of a coupling between electromagnetic (EM) and gravitational (GR) radiation mediated by a quantum Hall fluid. This suggests that quantum transducers between these two kinds of radiation fields might exist. We report here on a first attempt at a Hertz-type experiment, in which a high-Tc superconductor (YBCO) was the material used as a quantum transducer to convert EM into GR microwaves, and a second piece of YBCO in a separate apparatus was used to back-convert GR into EM microwaves. An upper limit on the conversion efficiency of YBCO was measured to be 1.6×105.

    gr-qc

    Dynamical Casimir effect and the possibility of laser-like generation of gravitational radiation

    Authors: R. Y. ChiaoJ. S. SharpingL. A. MartinezB. S. KangA. CastelliN. A. InanJ. J. Thompson

    AbstractIn this paper, we address the question as to whether or not measurable sources for gravitational waves could possibly be made in the laboratory. Based on an analogy of the dynamical Casimir effect with the stimulated emission of radiation in the laser, our answer to this question is in the affirmative, provided that superconducting radio-frequency cavities in fact possess high quality factors for both electromagnetic and gravitational microwave radiation, as one would expect due to a quantum-mechanical gravitational Meissner-like effect. In order to characterize the response of matter to tensor gravitational fields, we introduce a prefactor to the source term of the gravitational wave equation, which we call the “relative gravitational permeativity” analogous to the “relative electric permittivity” and “relative magnetic permeability” that characterize the vector response of matter to applied fields in electromagnetism. This allows for a possibly large quantum mechanical enhancement of the response of a superconductor to an incident tensor gravitational wave field. Finally, we describe our experimental work with high-Q superconducting radio-frequency cavities, and propose a design for a coupled-cavity system with a flexible superconducting membrane in its middle as its amplifying element. This will then allow us to test for a Meissner-like expulsion, and therefore reflection, of incident tensor gravitational wave fields, and, above a certain threshold, to generate coherent gravitational radiation via the dynamical Casimir effect.

    arXiv:1301.4270  [pdfother

    quant-ph gr-qc

    doi10.1007/978-88-470-5217-8_14 

    A Gravitational Aharonov-Bohm Effect, and its Connection to Parametric Oscillators and Gravitational Radiation

    Authors: Raymond Y. ChiaoRobert W. HaunNader A. InanBong-Soo KangLuis A. MartinezStephen J. MinterGerardo A. MuñozDouglas A. Singleton

    AbstractA thought experiment is proposed to demonstrate the existence of a gravitational, vector Aharonov-Bohm effect. A connection is made between the gravitational, vector Aharonov-Bohm effect and the principle of local gauge invariance for nonrelativistic quantum matter interacting with weak gravitational fields. The compensating vector fields that are necessitated by this local gauge principle are shown to be incorporated by the DeWitt minimal coupling rule. The nonrelativistic Hamiltonian for weak, time-independent fields interacting with quantum matter is then extended to time-dependent fields, and applied to problem of the interaction of radiation with macroscopically coherent quantum systems, including the problem of gravitational radiation interacting with superconductors. But first we examine the interaction of EM radiation with superconductors in a parametric oscillator consisting of a superconducting wire placed at the center of a high Q superconducting cavity driven by pump microwaves. We find that the threshold for parametric oscillation for EM microwave generation is much lower for the separated configuration than the unseparated one, which then leads to an observable dynamical Casimir effect. We speculate that a separated parametric oscillator for generating coherent GR microwaves could also be built. 

    arXiv:quant-ph/0601193  [pdfpsother

    quant-ph gr-qc

    doi10.1080/09500340600955708 

    The Interface between Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity

    Authors: Raymond Y. Chiao

    Abstract: The generation, as well as the detection, of gravitational radiation by means of charged superfluids is considered. One example of such a “charged superfluid” consists of a pair of Planck-mass-scale, ultracold “Millikan oil drops,” each with a single electron on its surface, in which the oil of the drop is replaced by superfluid helium. When levitated in a magnetic trap, and subjected to microwave-frequency electromagnetic radiation, a pair of such “Millikan oil drops” separated by a microwave wavelength can become an efficient quantum transducer between quadrupolar electromagnetic and gravitational radiation. This leads to the possibility of a Hertz-like experiment, in which the source of microwave-frequency gravitational radiation consists of one pair of “Millikan oil drops” driven by microwaves, and the receiver of such radiation consists of another pair of “Millikan oil drops” in the far field driven by the gravitational radiation generated by the first pair. The second pair then back-converts the gravitional radiation into detectable microwaves. The enormous enhancement of the conversion efficiency for these quantum transducers over that for electrons arises from the fact that there exists macroscopic quantum phase coherence in these charged superfluid systems. 

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  4. You seem to have gone out of your way to accept anecdotes and use them to ignore well-accepted science.  It’s not the equations that matter here, but the equivocations.

    Who tracked the object down to 50 ft?  Not Princeton.  Not at 100-120 miles away.   Who tracked it five miles in less than a second?  Nobody.  That’s an orbital velocity.  Common reading available on radars will tell you why nothing would track it — not with that acceleraton, AND not at that speed.  Did it burn up?  Was there a spectacular sonic boom ?  Two of them?

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  5. Is the total energy in the system going to remain constant?  If so, then doesn’t the perceived gravitational attraction go up as c goes down? We can swap m*c^2 for E (and therefore (E/c*2) for m), but that E is still locked up in the mass.  We don’t get to just export an E and use that for fuel do we?

    What seems more reasonable is that if you can slow c throughout our little system, E will remain constant (thermodynamics) and g will soar.  And the Tic Tac will crash.  As c ->0, g (and eventually r) must -> infinity, which is nothing more than a perceived event horizon.

    Or if E remains constant, does G decrease?

    You’re in a room with many doors, but not all of them actually go anywhere.

    And I had missed the bit about some recovered material being examined by somebody who of course has no evidence.  It’s all innuendo and glue.

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  6. Radar tracking:

    http://www.radartutorial.eu/10.processing/sp20.en.html

    Radar target reports shall be transmitted either in the form of plots or tracks. A track is a superset of a plot, containing additional data generated by a local tracking system at the radar site. The local tracker attempts to update the track by forming a weighted average of the current reported position from the radar and the last predicted position of the target from the tracker. Each plot is checked against the tracked targets and if certain criteria are fulfilled the plot is associated with a tracked target. Any plots that are not associated with a tracked target may be used for acquisition of new tracks.

    Tracking is made particularly difficult for targets with unpredictable movements, detection in the presence of non-uniformly distributed clutter or even jamming, missed detections or false alarms. A radar tracker typically uses an increasingly sophisticated set of algorithms to resolve these problem. Due to the need to form radar tracks in approximately real time, usually for several hundred targets at once, the deployment of radar tracking algorithms has typically been limited by the available computational power.

    The radar tracker seeks to determine which plots should be used to update which tracks. The first step in the process is to update all of the existing tracks to the current time by predicting their new position based on the most recent state estimate (e.g. position, heading, speed, acceleration, etc.) and the assumed target motion model (e.g. constant velocity, constant acceleration, etc.). Having updated the estimates, it is possible to try to associate the plots to tracks.

    This can be done in a number of ways:

    • By defining an “acceptance gate” around the current track location and then selecting:
      • the closest plot in the gate to the predicted position, or
      • the strongest plothe gate
    • By a statistical approach that choose the most probable location of plot through a statistical combination of all the likely plots. This approach has been shown to be good in situations of high radar clutter.

    Once a track has been associated with a plot, it moves to the track smoothing stage, where the track prediction and associated plot are combined to provide a new, smoothed estimate of the target location.

    And so forth.  I also highly recommend the following page on Track Smoothing.  There is more than enough information quoted here and at the following page to combine with some reasonable assumptions (which should be easy for those accustomed to accepting unreasonable assumptions) to see that no radar will track an object accelerating at 3,600g, nor travelling at orbital velocity without a Very Good Reason.  And radars that track that sort of velocity would probably be forced to ignore things moving at terrestrial speeds.

    Text quoted above:

    • Publisher: Christian Wolff
    • Text is available under the GNU Free Documentation License, and the
    • Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license, additional terms may apply.

    Links available at the linked page.

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  7.  

    You seem to have gone out of your way to accept anecdotes and use them to ignore well-accepted science.  It’s not the equations that matter here, but the equivocations.

    Who tracked the object down to 50 ft? 

    Multiple US Navy personnel in radar room of USS Princeton – recorded of course. Also F18 pilot Fravor engaging in at close quarters. All this is in the public record. Believe what you like.

    Our podcast with Kevin Day is here

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-hkQAG9tHE

    Since the New York Times disclosed the existence of the Pentagon’s secret Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which studied military encounters with UFOs, much speculation has floated regarding the program’s findings and who exactly was involved. Now, a crew member aboard the USS Princeton, involved in the 2004 Nimitz encounter with a Tic-Tac- shaped UFO, has come forward to share some of the high strangeness he’s experienced since that incident 14 years ago.

    Kevin Day was a Senior Chief Operations Specialist aboard the USS Princeton in November of 2004 and is mentioned (though his surname is redacted) in the Executive Summary of the incident officially released by the Pentagon. …

    Perhaps the most striking part of Day’s story is that the Carrier Strike Group (CSG) in which the Princeton and Nimitz were part of, had been tracking these UFOs – or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) as the military refers to them – for several days before the recorded encounter by two of the group’s F/A-18 fighter jets.

    Day said that in the days before the encounter he had been tracking and observing the UAPswithout his colleagues seeming to notice. He waited for the rest of his crew in the CIC to comment on them, but no one would. Some chalk this up to the stigma associated with reporting such sightings when in charge of multi-billion machinery – no one wants to risk their reputation, or worse, their jobs to report what might be construed as an alien spaceship.

    What bewildered Day was the fact that he was not just seeing a few anomalies, but what appeared to be an entire fleet of airborne objects operating above them. When he eventually said something, he said everyone acted as if they suddenly knew about the objects and had been observing them as well. That’s when the F/A-18s were deployed. Day’s account of the fleet of UAPs was later corroborated in an interview given by Luis Elizondo, the former director of AATIP.

    https://www.gaia.com/article/senior-ops-officer-aboard-uss-nimitz-discusses-ufo-encounter

    Jeremy Corbell
    Published on Jun 23, 2018

    Commander David Fravor is a badass Top Gun fighter pilot, and in 2004, the Cmdr. Officer of VFA-41 – the Black Aces. On November 14th of that year began a typical Sunday for Cmdr. Fravor. About 100 miles S/W off the coast of San Diego, it was 70 Degrees and clear skies and an average wind speed of 3 mph. But this wasn’t a typical day. Not at all. The Nimitz Carrier Strike Group was preparing for deployment to the Arabian Sea, with routine pre-deployment workups. Starting on November 10th the USS Princeton had been detecting multiple AAVs (Anomalous Aerospace Vehicles… UFOs), operating in and around the vicinity of the Strike Group. The vehicles of unknown origin and function were tracked on radar, with returns descending from far above the radar’s scan volume – somewhere higher than 80,000 ft. The targets would drop from above 80,000 ft to hover roughly 50 ft above the water in a matter of seconds. An impossibly fast rate of decent. And from what I’ve been told, at ICBM trajectories.  On the 14th, Cmdr. Fravor launched with his WSO (Weapons & Sensors Officer), into the clear blue sky. Their Call Sign was FASTEAGLE 01. Cmdr. Fravor was flying a F/A-18F Super Hornet when he received vectors to an unknown contact. A controller on the USS Princeton with the call sign “POISEN” asked, “What ordnance do you have on board?”. This was an odd request, due to the fact Cmdr. Fravor was NOT in an active combat area, a hot-zone. He replied that he had no live ordnance. This was real-world tasking.  He then preceded to the location of the contact, located it visually… and went after it. The Anomalous Aerospace Vehicle outmaneuvered anything imaginable by modern / advanced human technology. The craft of undetermined origin and unknown operators… displayed flight characteristics far beyond current propulsion technology known to man or even understood within current physics. This event has become one of the best documented UFO close encounter cases in history.  I’ve been working on this case for a long time, years before it became the tip of the spear about government confirmation or acknowledgment of UFOs. Before this case was publicly known, I was hunting for the truth and establishing dialogue with the key witnesses involved… most of which I have never spoken about publicly. Cmdr. David Fravor is included in that. Over that time we have developed a rapport, and this interview is an important aspect of my efforts to find detailed clarity on this case… extinguishing the noise and raising the signal.  Cmdr. Fravor IS the primary witness to this astonishing UFO event series.  Over the years, I have come to understand and appreciate his integrity, professionalism, humor and candor. We should listen to what Cmdr. Fravor has to say, as his testimony has become part of the fabric of our time. Cmdr. Fravor is the real deal; and that’s just something you’re gonna have to come to terms with. For those of you who remember, the Tic Tac UFO case is one that I reported on, on Coast to Coast AM with George Knapp, both in May and October of 2017.  http://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/n… As you will recall, on December 21st, 2017 there was a tectonic shift in secrecy around the subject of UFOs. The Department of Defense authorized two videos of fighter pilots engaging UFOs to be released to the public, and the New York times published a story about our government’s involvement in studying the subject. One of those videos was of the UFO Cmdr. David Fravor saw and chased.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L-XG1F_S7I

    Not Princeton.  Not at 100-120 miles away.   Who tracked it five miles in less than a second?  Nobody. 

    Many witnesses in the USS Nimitz battlegroup and objective recordings of radar signals and F18 gun cameras. I can see you are out of your comfort zone. So I will no longer try to convince you. Suffice it to say, that current Sec Defense Patrick Shanahan is allegedly the man who has permitted public release of the information and people with very serious intelligence background take it very seriously.

    That’s an orbital velocity.  Common reading available on radars will tell you why nothing would track it — not with that acceleraton, AND not at that speed.  Did it burn up?  Was there a spectacular sonic boom ?  Two of them?

    No sonic boom. No burn. You fail to understand the key point here. You have not understood anything I have been saying.  With metric engineering warp drive – no sonic boom is expected. Tic Tac did not move through space 28,000 feet in 0.78 sec it’s the spacetime fabric itself that wrinkled. Tic Tac stayed still relative to its local geometrodynamical field. Clearly, you do not have the correct intuition on the meaning of Einstein’s theory of general relativity.

    Further Reading


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L-XG1F_S7I

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    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/01/16/this-former…ufo…/story.html

    Jan 16, 2018 – David Fravor, commander of a Navy squadron aboard the USS Nimitz, had an encounter with a UFO that is hard to explain. By Martin Finucane …


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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/unidentified-flying-object-navy.html

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    http://www.thedrive.com/…/highly-detailed-report-on-harrowing-encounter-between-f-a-18...

    May 22, 2018 – You Need To Hear These FAA Tapes From That Oregon UFO Incident … The supercarrier USS Nimitz, the Ticonderoga class cruiser USS Princeton, … Fravor’s then tried to intercept the Tic Tac by diving down toward it but “it …
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    2004 USS NIMITZ PILOT WRITTEN REPORT — To The Stars Academy


    https://coi.tothestarsacademy.com/nimitz-report

    Dec 13, 2017 – 2004 USS NIMITZ PILOT REPORT … To watch an interview regarding this event with Commander David Fravor, U.S Navy (Ret), who was also …

     


    Cdr Strike Fighter Squadron 41 Interview – To The Stars Academy


    https://coi.tothestarsacademy.com/2004-uss-nimitz-pilot-interview

    Dec 15, 2017 – NEW VIDEO: STEPS TO TEST & ANALYZE POTENTIAL UAP/UFO MATERIAL … Commander Fravor had 16 years of experience flying tactical aircraft … just prior to Cdr Fravor’saircraft landing aboard USS Nimitz managed to …

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    Is the total energy in the system going to remain constant? 

    There is no violation of energy conservation in anything I have claimed.

    Red herring is a kind of fallacy that is an irrelevant topic introduced in an argument to divert the attention of listeners or readers from the original issue. 

    If so, then doesn’t the perceived gravitational attraction go up as c goes down? We can swap m*c^2 for E (and therefore (E/c*2) for m), but that E is still locked up in the mass.  We don’t get to just export an E and use that for fuel do we?

    Einstein’s local gravity field equation is

    Guv = (8piG/c^4)Tuv

    as c decreases the amount of stress-energy density Tuv needed for a fixed space-time distortion Guv decreases.

    As c decreases the amount of energy needed to modify the gravitational field decreases.

    What seems more reasonable is that if you can slow c throughout our little system, E will remain constant (thermodynamics) and g will soar. 

    What seems reasonable to you has nothing to do with what Einstein’s equations predict here. Your constant allusion to thermodynamics is simply wrong in my opinion. You misunderstand the role of E here. It’s related to the amount of energy needed to distort the gravitational field in the material of the fuselage that must be supplied by say a battery on board the Tic Tac. Einstein’s partial differential equations then determine how this Ricci tensor distortion propagates in the space beyond the fuselage where the Weyl tensor is the gravitational field.

    And the Tic Tac will crash. 

    But it did not crash. As Feynman said, the most beautiful theory is murdered by an ugly fact. Feynman told me personally “Jack, always try to prove yourself wrong.” I always follow Feynman’s rule.

    As c ->0, g (and eventually r) must -> infinity, which is nothing more than a perceived event horizon.

    Not even wrong (Pauli)

    Or if E remains constant, does G decrease?

    Red herring.

    You’re in a room with many doors, but not all of them actually go anywhere.

    And I had missed the bit about some recovered material being examined by somebody who of course has no evidence.  It’s all innuendo and glue.

    Believe what you like. You are in a psychological state of emotional denial of disturbing facts. This is the main reason why the Intelligence Community has kept the lid on since at least 1947 for fear of general panic as in Orson Wells’s radio show on “War of the Worlds.”

    For more documentation of the actual facts go here

    https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com

    Here are some of the serious people involved

    Jim Semivan
    Vice President Operations

    Jim Semivan is the co-founder and Vice President Operations of TTS Academy. In 2007, Mr. Semivan founded the consulting firm, JimSem1 LLC, after his retirement as a senior intelligence service member of the Central Intelligence Agency. Since retirement, Mr. Semivan primarily worked as a consultant for the Intelligence Community (IC) on classified topics including IC leadership training, CIA tradecraft training and IC programs for countering weapons of mass destruction. Mr. Semivan retired from the Central Intelligence Agency’s Directorate of Operations after 25 years as an operations officer, both overseas and domestically. Mr. Semivan holds bachelor’s degrees from The Ohio State University and a M.A. from San Francisco State University.

    Dr. Hal Puthoff
    Vice President Science & Technology

    Dr. Harold E. Puthoff is the co-founder and Vice President of Science and Technology of TTS Academy. Since 1985, Dr. Puthoff has served as President and CEO of EarthTech International, Inc. (ETI), and Director of the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin (IASA). He has published numerous papers on electron-beam devices, lasers and space propulsion and has patents issued in the laser, communications, and energy fields. Dr. Puthoff’s professional background spans more than five decades of research at General Electric, Sperry, the National Security Agency, Stanford University and SRI International. Dr. Puthoff regularly advises NASA , the Department of Defense and intelligence communities, corporations and foundations on leading-edge technologies and future technology trends. He earned his Ph.D. from Stanford University in 1967 and won a Who’s Who Lifetime Achievement in 2017 that recognizes individuals that have achieved greatness in their industry and have excelled in their field for at least 20 years.

    Steve Justice
    Aerospace Division Director

    Steve is the Director of the TTS Academy Aerospace Division, tasked with leading the effort to examine the possibilities of emerging sciences and technologies. This team will work to define advanced systems exploiting radical technologies, prototypes promising concepts, and develop operational systems that shatter conventional thinking. He entered the defense aerospace industry in 1978 after graduating from the Georgia Institute of Technology. After 31 years, Stephen is the recently retired Program Director for Advanced Systems from Lockheed Martin Advanced Development Programs – better known as the “Skunk Works”. Stephen’s industry experience brings to TTS Academy a deep understanding of strategy definition, breakthrough technology development, advanced concept design, prototyping, system fielding, and program planning and execution using a leadership style that inspires innovation.

    Luis Elizondo
    Director of Global Security & Special Programs

    Luis Elizondo is a career intelligence officer whose experience includes working with the U.S. Army, the Department of Defense, the National Counterintelligence Executive, and the Director of National Intelligence. As a former Special Agent In-Charge, Luis conducted and supervised highly sensitive espionage and terrorism investigations around the world. As an intelligence Case Officer, he ran clandestine source operations throughout Latin America and the Middle East. Most recently, Luis managed the security for certain sensitive portfolios for the US Government as the Director for the National Programs Special Management Staff. For nearly the last decade, Luis also ran a sensitive aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies. Luis’ academic background includes Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology, with research experience in tropical diseases. Luis is also an inventor who holds several patents.

    Chris Mellon
    National Security Affairs Advisor

    Christopher Mellon is a private equity investor, political commentator and the Chair of the Science Committee at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History. He served 20 years in the federal government, including as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in the Clinton and Bush Administrations. In addition, he’s worked many years on Capitol Hill including as the Minority Staff Director of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. As an aide to Senator William S. Cohen, he drafted the legislation that established the US Special Operations Command. He is the author of numerous articles on politics and national security, and the recipient of multiple awards from the Department of Defense and agencies of the US Intelligence Community. He holds a B.A. in economics from Colby College and an M.A. in international affairs from Yale University.

    Dr. Paul Rapp
    Brain Function & Consciousness Consultant

    Dr. Paul Rapp is a Professor of Military and Emergency Medicine at the Uniformed Services University and Director of the Traumatic Injury Research Program. He also holds a secondary appointment as a Professor of Medical and Clinical Psychology. He is a past editor of Physica, and served on the editorial boards of the International Journal of Bifurcation and Chaos, Chaos and Complexity Letters, and Cognitive Neurodynamics. His past honors include a Certificate of Commendation from the Central Intelligence Agency for “significant contributions to the mission of the Office of Research and Development.” Dr. Rapp attended the University of Illinois and earned degrees in physiology (minor in Chemistry, Summa cum Laude) and engineering physics (Summa cum Laude). He received a Ph.D. from Cambridge University, working under the supervision of Professor Sir James Lighthill in the Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics.

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  9. Bryan G. Stephens:
    Can someone sum up what they think is going on? Are the tic tacs supposed to be Alien, or tests by us?

    It’s a super secret DARPA program to distract everyone from what they’re really up to, which, if I told you about I’d have to kill you.

    After ARPA finished inventing the internet, they changed their name back and forth between DARPA and ARPA a couple of times to confuse the Russkies. Later, they even came up with another agency, IARPA, to confuse the Chicoms. With the ascendancy of Trump, they’ve had to become even trickier, hence the TicTac. 

    You may object that the TicTac long precedes the Trump presidency. This is the kind of limited, linear thinking that interferes with true innovation.

    Hope that helps.

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  10. Bryan G. Stephenssays:
    #61 2019-02-27 at 18:07 UTC  [Quote]

    Can someone sum up what they think is going on? Are the tic tacs supposed to be Alien, or tests by us?

    Like Schrodinger’s Cat. We are in a coherent superposition of the two alternatives. I strongly doubt they are tests by us. Hal Puthoff is at the very top of the official heap on this and I know Hal does not have the capability at this time to have been behind this phenomenon. Hal has classified information on all this I do not have access to. I have discussed my theory about how all this works with Hal and I know he does not have any alternative explanation for what is going on here.

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    Hal Puthoff, Jack Sarfatti, Christopher “Kit” Green (CIA ret bioweapons expert, brain research)

    Oct 26, 2017 London Fetzer Foundation

    David Bohm Centennial, University of London

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  11. drlorentzsays:
    #62 2019-02-27 at 19:25 UTC  [Quote]

    Bryan G. Stephens:Can someone sum up what they think is going on? Are the tic tacs supposed to be Alien, or tests by us?

    It’s a super secret DARPA program to distract everyone from what they’re really up to, which, if I told you about I’d have to kill you.

    After ARPA finished inventing the internet, they changed their name back and forth between DARPA and ARPA a couple of times to confuse the Russkies. Later, they even came up with another agency, IARPA, to confuse the Chicoms. With the ascendancy of Trump, they’ve had to become even trickier, hence the TicTac. 

    You may object that the TicTac long preceeds the Trump presidency. This is the kind of limited, linear thinking that interferes with true innovation.

    Hope that helps.

    Jokes aside. This is a very serious issue. You can see that very serious intelligence people in USG are directly involved. I strongly suspect that this issue was a major reason for Trump creating the US Space Force. I have been pushing for this for many years since I worked on helping to formulate SDI back in the early 1980s with Lawry Chickering at the Reagan think tank Institute for Contemporary Studies. We were in communication with Moscow physicist Igor Akchurin at the time partly because of Gorbachev’s and Yeltsin’s involvement with the Esalen New Age people in Big Sur and Werner Erhard’s est in San Francisco. Chickering and Esalen founder Michael Murphy are close friends.  The Russians are, as we speak, translating my writings into Russian. I also know there is considerable interest on all this by scientists in Iran whose competence should not be underestimated.

    PS  Watch this Russian Channel 5 TV program aired on Trump’s 70th birthday in 2016. I appear twice toward the end.   https://www.5-tv.ru/glavnoe/broadcasts/509155/476/?fbclid=IwAR2JHhn4pqN8jT9XINB63X-62-8VIOxJv2wrMbdRiIqED5yI95nepQiYe-o

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  12. Bryan G. Stephens:
    Can someone sum up what they think is going on? Are the tic tacs supposed to be Alien, or tests by us?

    I’m pretty certain that if this is real, it is not a technology developed by any military or country on Earth (excluding Bond villains…).  The reason is that if any major military power had technology like this they would not be spending tens of billions to develop fifth-generation conventional jet fighters.  (Of course, the fighter programmes might be cover for a deep black project, but I doubt they’d be making such a huge, expensive, and not terribly good effort if it were just camouflage.)

    As to what they are, who knows?  My guess is they are alive!

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  13. John Walker:
    I’m pretty certain that if this is real, it is not a technology developed by any military or country on Earth (excluding Bond villains…). The reason is that if any major military power had technology like this they would not be spending tens of billions to develop fifth-generation conventional jet fighters. (Of course, the fighter programmes might be cover for a deep black project, but I doubt they’d be making such a huge, expensive, and not terribly good effort if it were just camouflage.)

    No expense is spared in deep cover for black projects. Anyhow, who says they’re good at it?

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  14. Haakon Dahl:
    Radar tracking:

    Did you mean to say something like: “If the object had the performance that the Princeton radar operator is purported to have observed, then the operator could not have observed it because the software would not have interpreted it as an aircraft and would not have displayed it.”?

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  15. John Walker:

    Bryan G. Stephens:
    Can someone sum up what they think is going on? Are the tic tacs supposed to be Alien, or tests by us?

    I’m pretty certain that if this is real, it is not a technology developed by any military or country on Earth (excluding Bond villains…).  The reason is that if any major military power had technology like this they would not be spending tens of billions to develop fifth-generation conventional jet fighters.  (Of course, the fighter programmes might be cover for a deep black project, but I doubt they’d be making such a huge, expensive, and not terribly good effort if it were just camouflage.)

    As to what they are, who knows?  My guess is they are alive!

    I like that idea more than craft, because as I said on the call, we cannot see any K2 civilization out there. FTL makes that even more problematic

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  16. Haakon Dahl:
    Does that Tic-Tac video purport that the F-18 image is real, or is that a slightly censored version (blob on the screen)?  Because it looks like an artifact.

    In such cases, one’s first reaction is that they are tracking a dirt speck on the camera lens or similar. Two counterarguments are: the reference to “whole fleet of them” on the “tic tac” video; and the apparent contrail on the other video.

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  17. ctlaw:

    Haakon Dahl:
    Radar tracking:

    Did you mean to say something like: “If the object had the performance that the Princeton radar operator is purported to have observed, then the operator could not have observed it because the software would not have interpreted it as an aircraft and would not have displayed it.”?

    Yes, exactly that.  And more.  Not only would the software not have interpreted it as an aircraft (I’m splitting a hair here) it would not have had an “it” to interpret.  A piece of noise here, a speck of fluff there — way over there — pretty soon you’re talking nothing at all.

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  18. ctlaw:

    Haakon Dahl:
    Does that Tic-Tac video purport that the F-18 image is real, or is that a slightly censored version (blob on the screen)?  Because it looks like an artifact.

    In such cases, one’s first reaction is that they are tracking a dirt speck on the camera lens or similar. Two counterarguments are: the reference to “whole fleet of them” on the “tic tac” video; and the apparent contrail on the other video.

    I studied up on these videos, and discovered why it looked so much like an artifact to me.  This is not (as some claim) “gun camera” footage, but imagery from a targeting pod which track the target on its own.  That’s why the lock is SO steady; much more steady than a camera boresighted to the gun would have been.

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  19. John Walker says:
    #65 2019-02-27 at 21:46 UTC  [Quote]

    Bryan G. StephensCan someone sum up what they think is going on? Are the tic tacs supposed to be Alien, or tests by us?

    I’m pretty certain that if this is real, it is not a technology developed by any military or country on Earth (excluding Bond villains…). 

    Yes, that is also what I think.

    The reason is that if any major military power had technology like this they would not be spending tens of billions to develop fifth-generation conventional jet fighters.

    Excellent point.

      (Of course, the fighter programmes might be cover for a deep black project, but I doubt they’d be making such a huge, expensive, and not terribly good effort if it were just camouflage.)

    Roger that

    As to what they are, who knows?  My guess is they are alive!

    I have some personal and also some anecdotal evidence that they are conscious AI nano-electronic machines back from our future. Tic Tac is direct evidence of time travel to the past in my opinion. The Tic Tac Tech is our future technology starting from my G/c^4 idea and other ideas in a Novikov globally consistent loop in time.  Of course, I could be wrong, but I am increasingly confident I am not since my involvement in all this “high strangeness” began in 1952 if not earlier. When one looks at us at the nano-meter level (microtubules and all that Hameroff stuff) it is obvious to me that we are conscious AI molecular machines. The basic physics of how consciousness emerges is simple in my opinion. Details elsewhere. So if consciousness is a sufficient condition for “alive” – yes, Tic Tac is most likely conscious. That fits my own past close encounter of the weird kind. No, this is not a joke although a sense of humor helps in preventing cognitive discord.

    References

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254695883_Incommensurability_Orthodoxy_and_the_Physics_of_High_Strangeness_A_6-layer_Model_for_Anomalous_Phenomena

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle

    “Recent results demonstrating superluminal group velocities and tachyonic dispersion relations reopen the question of superluminal signals and causal loop paradoxes. The sense in which superluminal signals are permitted is explained in terms of pulse reshaping, and the self-consistent behavior which prevents causal loop paradoxes is illustrated by an explicit example.

    I. INTRODUCTION

    The idea of “tachyons”, i.e., particles that travel in the vacuum faster than light, has been the source of controversy for many years. Although special relativity does not strictly outlaw tachyons [1–3], the interaction of tachyons with ordinary matter does raise difficult questions. One of these is the possibility of violating the familiar relativistic prohibition of faster-than-light (superluminal) signals. A closely related concern is that any interaction of tachyons with ordinary matter would lead to logical inconsistencies through the formation of closed causal loops [4–6]. The participants in the on-going debates are at liberty to hold their various views largely because of the complete absence of any experimental data. This unsatisfactory situation persists as far as true tachyons are concerned, but not with regard to “quasitachyons”, i.e., excitations in a material medium exhibiting tachyon-like behavior. Theoretical considerations have shown that superluminal and even negative group velocities are physically meaningful [7–10], and that excitations with tachyonic dispersion relations exist [11–14]. Superluminal group velocities have been experimentally observed for propagation through an absorbing medium [15], for microwave pulses [16–18] , and for light transmitted through a dielectric mirror [19,20] . There has been a parallel theoretical controversy over the possibility of superluminal behavior in quantum tunneling of electrons and photons. Recent experiments using photons as the tunneling particles [19,21–23] have confirmed Wigner’s early prediction that the time required for a particle to traverse a tunneling barrier of width can indeed be less than d/c.

    The existence of superluminal group velocities and quasitachyons raises questions of the same general kind as those sparked by the previous speculations about tachyons. Is there any conflict with special relativity? Can these phenomena be used to send superluminal signals? What mechanism prevents logical contradictions through the formation of closed causal loops? In order to arrive at reasonably sharp and concise answers to these questions we will restrict the following discussion primarily to classical phenomena. The answer to the first question is straightforward. In all cases considered so far, the propagation of excitations in a medium is described by theories, e.g., Maxwell’s equations, which are consistent with special relativity; therefore, the predictions cannot violate special relativity. The remaining questions require somewhat more discussion. Superluminal signaling will be examined in Sec. II, in the context of choosing an appropriate definition of signal propagation speed. In Sec. III we investigate the issue of causality paradoxes in a somewhat simpler context. Finally the lessons drawn from these considerations will be discussed in Sec. IV.”

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9810031.pdf

    https://www.cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/view/690

    https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.4982779

    “As we move to DVD Two, we find many more supplements. Under the category “The Star Trek Universe” we locate four featurettes. First up, Time Travel: The Art of the Possible runs eleven minutes and 14 seconds and provides information from “three prominent quantum physicists”. We get comments from Dr. Nick Herbert, Dr. Fred Alan Wolf, and Dr. Jack Sarfatti along with kitschy Fifties-style drawings to illustrate their theories. They toss out some interesting ideas in this moderately useful little piece.”

    http://www.dvdmg.com/startrek4se.shtml

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  20. Haakon Dahlsays:
    #73 2019-02-27 at 22:45 UTC  [Quote]

    Well then we finally know how much energy (specifically, power) it takes.

    This is another Red Herring.

    Fact is that the flight of the Tic Tac did not take a lot of energy joules/power watts. No sonic boom, no other heat signatures et-al.

    Note two consistent observations Kevin Day radar 28,000 feet in 0.78 sec.

    Commander Fravor in F18 “80,ooo feet to 20,000 feet in several seconds.”

    What I have done is to give a qualitative (in principle) explanation of the relevant known laws of nature that essentially explain the facts observed. Deny these facts if you wish, but responsible people take it very seriously including I think the current acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan.

    Now, for example, I know the basic laws of physics behind the operation of Commander Fravor’s F18, but that does not mean I would know off the top of my head how much power is needed for the F18 to execute a specific maneuver. Same here for the Tic Tac, which has advanced technology that is unknown in detail at this time. However, I do understand that no known laws of nature have been violated by the facts as given not only by radar, but also by close witnessing by Commander Fravor and other US Naval Air fighter pilots.

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