Will Facebook rules for electioneering and hate speech apply to Ratburger?

Mark Zuckerberg issued a statement calling for more government regulation for Internet speech.  The entire statement is at the link below, and begins:

I believe we need a more active role for governments and regulators. By updating the rules for the internet, we can preserve what’s best about it — the freedom for people to express themselves and for entrepreneurs to build new things — while also protecting society from broader harms.

As far as I can tell, it’s a proposal to move the Facebook Trust and Safety council work to a globally coordinated set of government agencies. Internet “providers” would be responsible for enforcing the speech policies specified by this group.  He has promised to support these agencies with Facebook’s current filtering software.

Am I wrong in thinking that, if this proposal is accepted as it seems to be intended, that the speech restrictions would apply not just to Facebook but to other Internet “providers” such as Ratburger?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/8756876/mark-zuckerberg-social-network-regulation-christchurch-watchdog/

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37 thoughts on “Will Facebook rules for electioneering and hate speech apply to Ratburger?”

  1. I think we should all be free to make vicious fun of anybody we feel like ridiculing.  Men. Women. Special Olympics participants. Gays. Trans. One’s own race.  Other people’s races.

    It was that way for …well, forever, until now, and we  not only survived, we flourished.  (By “we” I mean humankind,  not Americans in particular.)

    can anybody give me one good reason why we should change now?

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  2. Hypatia:
    I think we should all be free to make vicious fun of anybody we feel like ridiculing.  Men. Women. Special Olympics participants. Gays. Trans. One’s own race.  Other people’s races.

    It was that way for …well, forever, until now, and we  not only survived, we flourished.  (By “we” I mean humankind,  not Americans in particular.)

    can anybody give me one good reason why we should change now?

    The Irish, they always want to start a fight. I mean when they are not passed out on the floor.

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  3. I believe we need a more active role for governments and regulators. By updating the rules for the internet, we can preserve what’s best about it — the freedom for people to express themselves and for entrepreneurs to build new things — while also protecting society from broader harms.

    I’m disgusted and disappointed by his comment but know he made it only for the purpose of self-interest. He may be a tech genius but he doesn’t understand that radical libs may not stay in power forever.

    I wish everyone would just leave him alone and take away his political platform. He’s a brilliant individual who has been dragged into a hot political mess when he should be allowed to focus on innovation.

    I admire his unique abilities but Gates and the late Jobs took advantage of his youth and convinced him to focus on politics.

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  4. EThompson:
    I’m disgusted and disappointed by his comment but know he made it only for the purpose of self-interest. He may be a tech genius but he doesn’t understand that radical libs may not stay in power forever.

    I wish everyone would just leave him alone and take away his political platform. He’s a brilliant individual who has been dragged into a hot political mess when he should be allowed to focus on innovation.

    I admire his unique abilities but Gates and the late Jobs took advantage of his youth and convinced him to focus on politics.

    I think the genius of Facebook is Zuckerberg found a way to monetize people’s private lives. He is not the same as Gates or Jobs. Gates and Jobs sold a product. With Facebook the product is you. Gates and Jobs as far as I know have a way to ban and suspend people from using their product. Facebook can.

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  5. 10 Cents:
    I think the genius of Facebook is Zuckerberg found a way to monetize people’s private lives.

    He didn’t find a way; he recognized that people were more than willing and waiting for the opportunity to publicize their narcissistic selves. It amazes me that he is being blamed for lack of privacy.

    I bought his stock quite aggressively but never considered opening a personal FB account for one nano second.

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  6. Freedom of speech was established and maintained (not very long ago, in terms of the duration of known human history) up until now by the forceful, violent and complete defeat of tyranny by forces imbued with a civic virtue which prized the individual over the elite or the “collective” (which is, in reality a fiction, an abstraction conjured up to justify rule by the elite). Survival of the right to freedom of speech is currently in serious doubt, this time around through the efforts of a tyranny arising from within our own increasingly-ignorant, propagandized and corrupted culture. The very nature and essence make this domestic version of incipient tyranny – like all those before it – render it immune to defeat by persuasion or at the ballot box. Liberty will  very shortly be required to fight and win or it will die and stay dead for a thousand years, stifled by the state’s emerging AI, whose first task will be to kill dissent in the crib – i.e. to kill it in places just like this one, where it is born anew.

    Dime asked, rhetorically, I think “what is hate speech?” It is any speech (or thought) not fully supportive of the progressive (amerikan neo-Marxist – let’s call it what it is) ideology and it has zero tolerance for any deviation therefrom. Several recent polls have shown majorities agreeing that violence is justified to silence “hate speech.” As I said, the choice will soon be to fight or to be silenced. Jefferson’s “tree of liberty” is withering before our eyes. His prescience as to its eventual sanguine requirement is impressive, indeed.

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  7. 10 Cents:
    I know I am suppose to know this but what is “Hate Speech”?

    Fortunately for you, there will be an independent organization that will inform you. And it will get up to speed very quickly, since it will be able to take advantage of Facebook’s infrastructure.

    On a related note, you can now receive a 10 year prison sentence for possessing a copy of the Christchurch manifesto in New Zealand, and 14 years for distributing it.

    And Facebook’s technology is able to quickly identify, isolate, and provide pointers to every copy of the document on the Internet which has been mentioned on Facebook.

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  8. Damocles:

    On a related note, you can now receive a 10 year prison sentence for possessing a copy of the Christchurch manifesto in New Zealand, and 14 years for distributing it.

    And Facebook’s technology is able to quickly identify, isolate, and provide pointers to every copy of the document on the Internet which has been mentioned on Facebook.

    Note that with these two points, Facebook could provide to the New Zealand authorities a list of every person in New Zealand who had accessed the document, when and how many times they had accessed it, who had provided the access link, and in many cases will be able to provide a geocode with details about where the document was accessed and who was nearby at the time.

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  9. EThompson:
    I’m disgusted and disappointed by his comment but know he made it only for the purpose of self-interest. He may be a tech genius but he doesn’t understand that radical libs may not stay in power forever.

    He doesn’t need them to stay in power forever.  He needs this independent organization to be launched so he will be able to deny that it’s Facebook who is cracking down on the outgroup.  He will be able to say (correctly!) that he is merely following specific regulations that require him to perform certain actions that follow the guidance given by the independent organization.

    I wish everyone would just leave him alone and take away his political platform. He’s a brilliant individual who has been dragged into a hot political mess when he should be allowed to focus on innovation.

    I think Mark Zuckerberg views things differently.

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  10. Damocles:
    I think Mark Zuckerberg views things differently.

    He’s still very young and I think he has allowed himself to be manipulated and distracted from what he does best.

    I admire him greatly but perhaps success came at too young an age for him to handle.

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  11. EThompson:

    Damocles:
    I think Mark Zuckerberg views things differently.

    He’s still very young and I think he has allowed himself to be manipulated and distracted from what he does best.

    I admire him greatly but perhaps success came at too young an age for him to handle.

    I dunno, he’s old enough to run for president in the next election and is one of the richest and most powerful men in the world.

    He sincerely believes this is the best thing both for Facebook and society in general.  People may wish he were some kind of closet conservative, but the things he supports are as progressive as they come.

    EThompson:
    I bought his stock quite aggressively but never considered opening a personal FB account for one nano second.

    You know that doesn’t matter, right?  They have a portfolio on you already.  On the off chance you ever join, they’ll be able to merge all of that priorly collected data into your profile.  Until then, they just quietly keep collecting things on “future” users.

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  12. Damocles:
    You know that doesn’t matter, right?  They have a portfolio on you already.

    I’m sure you are right but I don’t care because I’m your typical amoral capitalist swine. I made some nice donuts on his stock and I only wish he’d get his act together with all these lawsuits so I can invest in his company again. 🙂

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  13. EThompson:
    It amazes me that he is being blamed for lack of privacy.

    We don’t blame Zuckerberg and Facebook for loss of privacy.   Anyone who makes much use of the internet is ceding privacy.

    We blame Zuckerberg and Facebook for censorship.

    Facebook has been dodging responsibility for criminal activity on Facebook by pleading that they are just a neutral platform.   Well, they are not neutral, and the judges should not go along with this charade.

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  14. MJBubba:

    EThompson:
    It amazes me that he is being blamed for lack of privacy.

    We don’t blame Zuckerberg and Facebook for loss of privacy.   Anyone who makes much use of the internet is ceding privacy.

    We blame Zuckerberg and Facebook for censorship.

    Facebook has been dodging responsibility for criminal activity on Facebook by pleading that they are just a neutral platform.   Well, they are not neutral, and the judges should not go along with this charade.

    Who is “we”, Bubba?

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  15. Damocles, I got two likes on comment #1 and you know what that means.  When would you like to be banned? (We try to work with the customers here at Ratburger.)

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  16. 10 Cents:
    Damocles, I got two likes on comment #1 and you know what that means.  When would you like to be banned? (We try to work with the customers here at Ratburger.)

    I thought it was three likes!

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  17. MJBubba:
    Facebook has been dodging responsibility for criminal activity on Facebook by pleading that they are just a neutral platform.   Well, they are not neutral, and the judges should not go along with this charade.

    I agree this is reprehensible but is it a crime in the private sector? In any case, I believe MZ is savvy enough to fix the problem sooner rather than later. His empire is at stake.

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  18. Damocles:

    10 Cents:
    Damocles, I got two likes on comment #1 and you know what that means.  When would you like to be banned? (We try to work with the customers here at Ratburger.)

    I thought it was three likes!

    You’re right I jumped the gun. As soon as there are three likes on Comment #1 the process kicks in. 😉

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  19. EThompson:

    MJBubba:
    Facebook has been dodging responsibility for criminal activity on Facebook by pleading that they are just a neutral platform.   Well, they are not neutral, and the judges should not go along with this charade.

    I agree this is reprehensible but is it a crime in the private sector?

    First, let me say that it’s great we all agree on the key factor here, and that it’s definitely not a crime to lobby for curtailing freedom of speech.  Because we have the freedom of speech!

    In any case, I believe MZ is savvy enough to fix the problem sooner rather than later. His empire is at stake.

    Facebook has a couple of problems they’re trying to solve here.

    • They don’t want to be constantly in the hot seat from all sides by picking whose content is objectionable and should be quashed.
    • They don’t want to have to deal with 190+ sets of national regulations, and who-knows how many other regional regulations regarding this.

    So what they want to do is

    • outsource this work to some independent organization, so they can say “hey it’s not our decision that this baker is full of hate speech, it’s the decision of this independent, non-partisan group”, and
    • get international (supranational?) buy-in that this group represents the governments of most of the world.

    Then they can get back to the serious business about developing the best technology to quash speech which has been deemed unacceptable by the authorities. This will be very profitable for them, since we have seen that much “objectionable” content on the Internet has been deemed so because it it actually “advertiser unfriendly.”

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  20. Whoa Damocles, what a plot you have woven! Pls reveal your sources.

    Damocles:
    So what they want to do is outsource this work to some independent organization, so they can say “hey it’s not our decision that this baker is full of hate speech, it’s the decision of this independent, non-partisan group”, and get international (supranational?) buy-in that this group represents the governments of most of the world.

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