Pete, can two play at this game?

Buttigieg to Pence: ‘If you got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me — your quarrel, sir, is with my creator’

10 Cents to Buttigieg: If you got a problem with who Pence is, your problem is not with him — your quarrel, sir, is with his creator.

I suppose Pete gets to pick and choose what he considers important and knows the mind of the creator. (He might be running for saint.) It was great grandstanding but I think it fails the logic test.

I am for disagreement but I think it is a little much to use god as a prop.

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28 thoughts on “Pete, can two play at this game?”

  1. It’s especially galling when a phony like Mayor Pete attacks people who actually follow the Bible’s teachings while Mayor Pete selectively chooses which parts he wants to follow while claiming to be a Christian.

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  2. The Sinistral Bassist:
    It’s especially galling when a phony like Mayor Pete attacks people who actually follow the Bible’s teachings while Mayor Pete selectively chooses which parts he wants to follow while claiming to be a Christian.

    I am confused. I thought Saint Pete was a city in Florida, Minky.

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  3. This is one of those gotchas. It gives the impression of being inclusive while fighting the forces of exclusion but in reality it excludes people and tars others with being ungodly.

    Denise McAllister expressed in not so subtle ways that someone was lost and lost her writing positions for it. Isn’t St. Pete doing something similar?

    I am for fairness. If one side gets to do this, the other side should be able to do it too.

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  4. Pro tip: when you’re a gay guy whose name many people will pronounce as “butt-gag”, think twice about talking about the Creator while most people in the audience are still snickering.

    “Butt-gag”: heh.

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  5. John Walker:
    Pro tip: when you’re a gay guy whose name many people will pronounce as “butt-gag”, think twice about talking about the Creator while most people in the audience are still snickering.

    “Butt-gag”: heh.

    You went there. “He said ‘Butt-gag.'”

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  6. OK, so I suppose I now need to know something about Candidate P. B.

    From Wikipedia:

    Before graduating from college, Buttigieg worked as an investigative intern at WMAQ-TV,Chicago‘s NBC news affiliate. He also worked as an intern for Jill Long Thompson‘s unsuccessful[17] 2002 congressional campaign. He later served as an adviser to her unsuccessful[18]2008 gubernatorial campaign.[19]     From 2004 to 2005, Buttigieg worked in Washington, D.C., as conference director for former U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen‘s international strategic consulting firm,The Cohen Group. He also spent several months working on Senator John Kerry‘s 2004 presidential campaign, where he was a policy and research specialist.[20]  After earning his Oxford degree, he worked as a consultant at McKinsey & Companyfrom 2007 through 2010.[21]After leaving McKinsey, he joined the U.S. Navy Reserve where he became a lieutenant.[22]     He was the Democratic Party nominee in 2010 for State Treasurer of Indiana. Buttigieg lost to Republican incumbent Richard Mourdock, garnering 37.5% of the vote.[23]

    Both of his parents were university professors.   A little internet snooping reveals an interesting trivia fact about his father, Joseph B.:

    He became a globally recognized authority on the Italian thinker Antonio Gramsci, and published three volumes of extensively annotated translations of Gramsci’s Prison Notebooks.

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  7. I wonder if he can be this facile and stupid in the seven other languages he claims to be fluent in. This “God made me like this” argument could be used to excuse any behavior, from pedophile to serial killer to Uncle Joe ( if God had wanted me to stop,  the Pope  would have more divisions than me.)

    By the way: apparently, Buttigieg is pronounced  Bhut-tee-jeej – The “But” has a short “u” sound as in “foot” and “put”. The “ti” is pronounced like “tee”. Each “g” is actually the Maltese “ġ” and sounds like “j” as in “jog”. It’s a Maltese name that means “Owner of the Chikens”, though “Lord of the turkeys” would be closer to the mark. 

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  8. I’d like to tell Buttguy (yes, it’s juvenile, but I don’t care, and he’s earned it at this point) that if you claim you have no self control over your decisions because ‘I was born this way’, then you’re not a man. You’re an animal.

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  9. Douglas:
    I’d like to tell Buttguy (yes, it’s juvenile, but I don’t care, and he’s earned it at this point) that if you claim you have no self control over your decisions because ‘I was born this way’, then you’re not a man. You’re an animal.

    That’s right but (and this is a significant but) biology does matter. Most of us are attracted to the opposite sex because we are born that way. There’s no way you could talk most heterosexuals into homosexuality.* Sexual attraction is not a rational response. Of course, it doesn’t mean one must act on all one’s impulses but the impulses are there and you’re born with them.

    There are some serious issues with the explanations of how such a dramatically poor reproductive strategy could survive as a genetic trait. Other explanations are more plausible, at least prima facie. So perhaps born that way turns out to be wrong for homosexuality anyway.

    *with the exception of lesbian until graduation and other forms of situational sexual behavior. However, these exceptions are temporary and do not apply to people like Buttigieg.

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  10. drlorentz:

    Douglas:
    I’d like to tell Buttguy (yes, it’s juvenile, but I don’t care, and he’s earned it at this point) that if you claim you have no self control over your decisions because ‘I was born this way’, then you’re not a man. You’re an animal.

    That’s right but (and this is a significant but) biology does matter. Most of us are attracted to the opposite sex because we are born that way. There’s no way you could talk most heterosexuals into homosexuality.* Sexual attraction is not a rational response. Of course, it doesn’t mean one must act on all one’s impulses but the impulses are there and you’re born with them.

    There are some serious issues with the explanations of how such a dramatically poor reproductive strategy could survive as a genetic trait. Other explanations are more plausible, at least prima facie. So perhaps born that way turns out to be wrong for homosexuality anyway.

    *with the exception of lesbian until graduation and other forms of situational sexual behavior. However, these exceptions are temporary and do not apply to people like Buttigieg.

    Except for the exception there is no way.

    I don’t want to be sidetracked to the gay straight debate for that has been done. I like the theological debate of telling people you know a behavior/trait is creator given.

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  11. 10 Cents:
    Except for the exception there is no way.

    Don’t mischaracterize what I wrote. It’s not a true exception for the reasons I gave.

    You’ve probably heard the expression, “the exception that proves the rule.” The point is that rules can have exceptions and still be rules. The very word “exception” contains the concept of something exceptional, i.e., unusual.

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  12. 10 Cents:
    I don’t want to be sidetracked to the gay straight debate for that has been done.

    Tough taquitos, my friend. Homosexuality and its intrinsic character are part and parcel of the OP.

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  13. drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    Except for the exception there is no way.

    Don’t mischaracterize what I wrote. It’s not a true exception for the reasons I gave.

    You’ve probably heard the expression, “the exception that proves the rule.” The point is that rules can have exceptions and still be rules. The very word “exception” contains the concept of something exceptional, i.e., unusual.

    You wrote “no way” and then footnoted an exception. Aren’t we saying the same thing?

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  14. drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    I don’t want to be sidetracked to the gay straight debate for that has been done.

    Tough taquitos, my friend. Homosexuality and its intrinsic character are part and parcel of the OP.

    The author is a good friend of mine and thinks you are missing the theological point.

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  15. 10 Cents:
    You wrote “no way” and then footnoted an exception. Aren’t we saying the same thing?

    Try quoting the whole sentence to grasp the meaning.

    There’s no way you could talk most heterosexuals into homosexuality.* [emphasis added]

    See that word most in the sentence? See the asterisk that cites the exception? A person might think you were being deceptive in quoting selectively. Not that I would be that person or anything.

    Exceptions don’t invalidate rules, as I’ve already taken pains to explain. The rule “i before e except after c” is a good rule, even though there are exceptions.

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  16. 10 Cents:

    drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    I don’t want to be sidetracked to the gay straight debate for that has been done.

    Tough taquitos, my friend. Homosexuality and its intrinsic character are part and parcel of the OP.

    The author is a good friend of mine and thinks you are missing the theological point.

    I’m not missing your best friend’s point, I’m merely expanding on it. Tell your friend to be less of a control freak. Besides, your friend already made his point; that train ran out of track.

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  17. drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    You wrote “no way” and then footnoted an exception. Aren’t we saying the same thing?

    Try quoting the whole sentence to grasp the meaning.

    There’s no way you could talk most heterosexuals into homosexuality.* [emphasis added]

    See that word most in the sentence? See the asterisk that cites the exception? A person might think you were being deceptive in quoting selectively. Not that I would be that person or anything.

    Exceptions don’t invalidate rules, as I’ve already taken pains to explain. The rule “i before e except after c” is a good rule, even though there are exceptions.

    Sorry, I should have quoted the whole sentence to give the full context. I missed the word “most”.  Humble pie can be tasty at times.

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  18. drlorentz:

    10 Cents:

    drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    I don’t want to be sidetracked to the gay straight debate for that has been done.

    Tough taquitos, my friend. Homosexuality and its intrinsic character are part and parcel of the OP.

    The author is a good friend of mine and thinks you are missing the theological point.

    I’m not missing your best friend’s point, I’m merely expanding on it. Tell your friend to be less of a control freak. Besides, your friend already made his point; that train ran out of track.

    The point that you brought up has been endlessly talked about by me and others. I really don’t want to go over that again. Some of us remember long threads that seemed to not go anywhere.  And there were many of them.

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  19. I really don’t think Mike Pence has a ‘problem’ with Pete B.  Democrats project ‘problems’ in order to take a  flamethrower to a strawman, and that’s just what’s happening here.  The Ds want to peel off some of the Christian vote, and I’m sure as a politician Mayor Pete has no problem spouting Christian rhetoric, until it’s handy not to anymore.

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  20. 10 Cents:

    drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    I don’t want to be sidetracked to the gay straight debate for that has been done.

    Tough taquitos, my friend. Homosexuality and its intrinsic character are part and parcel of the OP.

    The author is a good friend of mine and thinks you are missing the theological point.

    Pencilvania:
    I really don’t think Mike Pence has a ‘problem’ with Pete B.  Democrats project ‘problems’ in order to take a  flamethrower to a strawman, and that’s just what’s happening here.  The Ds want to peel off some of the Christian vote, and I’m sure as a politician Mayor Pete has no problem spouting Christian rhetoric, until it’s handy not to anymore.

    The “Theological Left” is simply the Left marching through the institutions of the churches.   The main thing is that they are the Left.   They “emerged beyond Jesus” long ago.   They are preaching a spirit of anti-Christ while saying “Jesus, Jesus!”

    There are Christians who still occasionally attend worship in Left-leaning places.   They are solid for the Democrats, and the Democrats have been able to take them for granted for several decades.

    The new thing is that they are now worried about, and starting to pitch to, African-American Christians.   There were lots of black Christian voters who went to the polls in 2016 and voted for all their local Democrats.   But they skipped the race at the top.   They did not vote for D.J. Trump, but they did not vote for Hillary, either.   They made the margin of victory for President Trump.

    The Democrats are going to try very hard to coax them back onto the “Democrat Plantation.”   After a few months of coaxing, they will switch to fearmongering in an attempt to scare black voters back onto the Plantation.

    I think they will fail.   But, it is not a sure thing.

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  21. You are right, MJ – Pete’s not even ‘spouting Christian rhetoric’, I should edit that to say he’s ‘mouthing Christian-sounding platitudes.’ I don’t think it will work either, but I also think that by targeting Pence he is showing he expects to be debating Pence for the VP role eventually.

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  22. 10 Cents:
    The point that you brought up has been endlessly talked about by me and others. I really don’t want to go over that again. Some of us remember long threads that seemed to not go anywhere. And there were many of them.

    I didn’t realize you had already been involved in exhaustive discussions on the heritability of homosexuality, population genetics, and the alternative explanations of the incidence of reproductive strategies. This is surprising to me since these topics are generally considered taboo.

    Specifically, Cochran and Ewald’s ideas, referenced indirectly above, have not received much attention and would be considered hate-facts in many circles. I’m sure this is already familiar to you. For the rest of the benighted souls who are not as erudite, the original paper is available as well as a more popular account in, of all places, the Atlantic. The latter was published twenty years ago; it’s hard to imagine the Atlantic publishing such hate-theories today. How times have changed!

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