The Third World is Within You

My daughter spent a summer in Guatemala in 2015.   It is a terrifying place—and I’m just talkin’ about the natural  environment.  Earthquakes, floods, volcanoes.  (Plus, no woman is safe, but I won’t go into that  here.)

I remember she remarked, , after we had met the people in whose home she was staying in Santiago Atitlan, that people in Guatemala don’t identify with their government.  In America, we think our government represents us, the people in Guatemala see the government as an enemy, a hostile force.

Welcome to Third World USA.  Half the country thinks our president is a Russian agent, and the other half thinks the entire government bureaucracy is engaged in a coup to thwart the people’s will.

From either side, this is not a good look.

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33 thoughts on “The Third World is Within You”

  1. Phil Turmel:
    I think it is healthy to view government with suspicion.

    Yes, and that is very American, adversarial relation with the press, etc.  it just seems yo me this present attitude is something more.  Did you hear that woman talking to Bidem yesterday, about Trump’s  “best pal Vlad”?

    Suspicion is at one end of the continuum.    Outright hatred, settled resignation to the proposition that a nations government does not represent its people,,,?  At some point the difference of degree becomes qualitative.  In my humble opinion.

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  2. The Democratic Party is a subversive, criminal organization bent on favoring foreign interests over those of Americans.

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  3. Hypatia:
    In America, we think our government represents us, the people in Guatemala see the government as an enemy, a hostile force.

    I can’t think of any time after I was about 16 years old that I didn’t think of government as an adversary and in no way representative of my interests or those of anybody I knew.  It was doing a fine job taking care of the New Class that employed, spent taxpayers’ funds on, and which swarmed around it, feeding upon it (it was stunning in the 1960s and 1970s to see how the Washington Beltway, which was largely built through farm land and exurbs, sprouted towers on both sides, filled with “Beltway bandits”).

    I’d say that people in the U.S. may just be waking up to what has really been going on since the Wilson (or T.R.) administration, and accelerating rapidly since the New Deal and Great Society.

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  4. Mike LaRoche:
    The Democratic Party is a subversive, criminal organization bent on favoring foreign interests over those of Americans.

    Yes!  But what about the RINOs?   Can we trust anybody?   The point I’m trying to make,  I think, is that you’ve reached a Third World mentality when pretty much everybody is resigned to the knowledge that a people can expect nothing but plunder at the hands of its government.

    i read something so sad: that Trump, soon after the election commented to an adviser concerning the “ Resist” rabble along these lines: you know, I thought it would be different; I thought if I won the election, everybody would come together…

    “Hail to the Chief, as we pledge cooperation/In proud fulfillment of a great, noble, goal!” Says the Presidential anthem.  Yeah, nobody except me knows the words, but the lyrics express the idea: okay buddy! You won, it’s on you now.  You’re what we’re stuck with till the next election, let’s see what we can do together to “ make this grand country grander”.

    If elections  don’t settle anything, when they just presage renewed hostility and violence by the losing side, you may be a Third World nation.

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  5. The saddest thing is that the narcotics trade in Columbia has spilled over into Guatemala making it highly undesirable to let any of their citizens claim refugee status here.

    Was reading in NR this week that Sweden highly regrets the number of third world immigrants they have allowed into their country (mainly Muslims) who are wreaking havoc on Jewish citizens particularly in Malmö.

    Enough already with the third world; this country may have been founded and settled by immigrants but they were, for the large part from Western and Eastern European nations (Italy, Ireland, Germany, Poland, etc.) and have assimilated beautifully.

    And I don’t want to be labeled a racist; I am a culturalist.

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  6. Hypatia:
    Yes!  But what about the RINOs?   Can we trust anybody?

    In general, no.  There’s a corrupting influence that attacks the purest hearts.  Even John Walker and myself would be tempted, and he probably doesn’t have the strength of character to turn his back on the blandishments of power as I have!

      The point I’m trying to make,  I think, is that you’ve reached a Third World mentality when pretty much everybody is resigned to the knowledge that a people can expect nothing but plunder at the hands of its government.

    i read something so sad: that Trump, soon after the election commented to an adviser concerning the “ Resist” rabble along these lines: you know, I thought it would be different; I thought if I won the election, everybody would come together…

    “Hail to the Chief, as we pledge cooperation/In proud fulfillment of a great, noble, goal!” Says the Presidential anthem.  Yeah, nobody except me knows the words, but the lyrics express the idea: okay buddy! You won, it’s on you now.  You’re what we’re stuck with till the next election, let’s see what we can do together to “ make this grand country grander”.

    Did you feel this way when Obama was President?  Did you support his great and noble goal of making a fair and equitable healthcare system for all?

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  7. Damocles:
    Did you support his great and noble goal of making a fair and equitable healthcare system for all?

    Hope you don’t mind, but I can’t restrain myself from commenting on this.

    There is no such thing as fair. Healthcare and higher education are not God given rights. They are earned advantages and if you choose not to work in a seemingly booming economy, don’t save or invest wisely, or vote for the candidate that can help make your life freer and give you choices, then don’t come complaining to me.

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  8. Hypatia:

    Mike LaRoche:
    The Democratic Party is a subversive, criminal organization bent on favoring foreign interests over those of Americans.

    Yes!  But what about the RINOs?   Can we trust anybody?

    The Republican Party should be called the Neo-Liberal Party—and I wouldn’t trust Republicans any more than I would Democrats. Fool me once, shame on you…fool me a million times, I’m a complete idiot.

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  9. Black Prince:

    Hypatia:

    Mike LaRoche:
    The Democratic Party is a subversive, criminal organization bent on favoring foreign interests over those of Americans.

    Yes!  But what about the RINOs?   Can we trust anybody?

    The Republican Party should be called the Neo-Liberal Party—and I wouldn’t trust Republicans any more than I would Democrats. Fool me once, shame on you…fool me a million times, I’m a complete idiot.

    This is precisely why I voted for the Don. He isn’t an ideologue and he belongs to neither party. His goals are to fix transgressions and protect the country.

    He didn’t run to achieve the apex of his career.

    He was there already.

    I genuinely believe he cares about his constituents and it’s in his DNA to go big or go home!

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  10. EThompson:

    Damocles:
    Did you support his great and noble goal of making a fair and equitable healthcare system for all?

    Hope you don’t mind, but I can’t restrain myself from commenting on this.

    Have I ever objected? 🙂 🙂

    There is no such thing as fair. Healthcare and higher education are not God given rights. They are earned advantages and if you choose not to work in a seemingly booming economy, don’t save or invest wisely, or vote for the candidate that can help make your life freer and give you choices, then don’t come complaining to me.

    Truer words were never spoken.  I’m just repeating how it was presented at the time.

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  11. EThompson:

    Black Prince:

    Hypatia:

    Mike LaRoche:
    The Democratic Party is a subversive, criminal organization bent on favoring foreign interests over those of Americans.

    Yes!  But what about the RINOs?   Can we trust anybody?

    The Republican Party should be called the Neo-Liberal Party—and I wouldn’t trust Republicans any more than I would Democrats. Fool me once, shame on you…fool me a million times, I’m a complete idiot.

    This is precisely why I voted for the Don. He isn’t an ideologue and he belongs to neither party. His goals are to fix transgressions and protect the country.

    I am a fan of Donald Trump and he’s accomplished things that I thought were impossible. But the question still remains: Can he change things enough before leaving office to put America back on track and can we find and elect another leader who will pick up the baton? The Chinese are betting “no” and I can’t say that they’re wrong.

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  12. Black Prince:

    EThompson:

    Black Prince:

    Hypatia:

    Mike LaRoche:
    The Democratic Party is a subversive, criminal organization bent on favoring foreign interests over those of Americans.

    Yes!  But what about the RINOs?   Can we trust anybody?

    The Republican Party should be called the Neo-Liberal Party—and I wouldn’t trust Republicans any more than I would Democrats. Fool me once, shame on you…fool me a million times, I’m a complete idiot.

    This is precisely why I voted for the Don. He isn’t an ideologue and he belongs to neither party. His goals are to fix transgressions and protect the country.

    I am a fan of Donald Trump and he’s accomplished things that I thought were impossible. But the question still remains: Can he change things enough before leaving office to put America back on track and can we find and elect another leader who will pick up the baton? The Chinese are betting “no” and I can’t say that they’re wrong.

    Unfortunately, I share your concerns. ):

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  13. EThompson:

    Black Prince:

    Hypatia:

    Mike LaRoche:
    The Democratic Party is a subversive, criminal organization bent on favoring foreign interests over those of Americans.

    Yes!  But what about the RINOs?   Can we trust anybody?

    The Republican Party should be called the Neo-Liberal Party—and I wouldn’t trust Republicans any more than I would Democrats. Fool me once, shame on you…fool me a million times, I’m a complete idiot.

    This is precisely why I voted for the Don. He isn’t an ideologue and he belongs to neither party. His goals are to fix transgressions and protect the country.

    He didn’t run to achieve the apex of his career.

    He was there already.

    I genuinely believe he cares about his constituents and it’s in his DNA to go big or go home!

    I believe that too—and you’d sorta think someone like that, an outsider, could unify the country. Of course, he did get a lot of lifelong Dems—I just spoke to one this AM!   But what’s shocking is that there are so many people in our country who despise her, and us.

    idk….it’s like with a marriage.  There will be things about your spouse that annoy and maybe even infuriate.  But you remain committed.  After all, you and your spouse know each other better than anybody else, and that means you know each other’s faults.   But there is trust,  at some bedrock level.  If that goes, so goes the Union. And I think that bedrock level is what we’ve hit.

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  14. Hypatia:
    But what’s shocking is that there are so many people in our country who despise her, and us.

    I’m am as befuddled as you are. Why?

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  15. EThompson:

    Hypatia:
    But what’s shocking is that there are so many people in our country who despise her, and us.

    I’m am as befuddled as you are. Why?

    i have a terrible feeling it’s  because  we’ve gotten so far away from the knowledge that it was the people who formed the government.  2.5 centuries…it’s been a good long run, at least.

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  16. Damocles:

    Hypatia:
    Yes!  But what about the RINOs?   Can we trust anybody?

    In general, no.  There’s a corrupting influence that attacks the purest hearts.  Even John Walker and myself would be tempted, and he probably doesn’t have the strength of character to turn his back on the blandishments of power as I have!

      The point I’m trying to make,  I think, is that you’ve reached a Third World mentality when pretty much everybody is resigned to the knowledge that a people can expect nothing but plunder at the hands of its government.

    i read something so sad: that Trump, soon after the election commented to an adviser concerning the “ Resist” rabble along these lines: you know, I thought it would be different; I thought if I won the election, everybody would come together…

    “Hail to the Chief, as we pledge cooperation/In proud fulfillment of a great, noble, goal!” Says the Presidential anthem.  Yeah, nobody except me knows the words, but the lyrics express the idea: okay buddy! You won, it’s on you now.  You’re what we’re stuck with till the next election, let’s see what we can do together to “ make this grand country grander”.

    Did you feel this way when Obama was President?  Did you support his great and noble goal of making a fair and equitable healthcare system for all?

    No of course I always hated B. Hussein.  But, uh, I guess it’s the difference between feeling the ship of state isn’t being very well piloted just at present, and feeling that the ship of state is sinking.  And worse, realizing a lot of our shipmates are willing to scuttle her just so the Captain will go down with’er!

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  17. Hypatia:

    EThompson:

    Hypatia:
    But what’s shocking is that there are so many people in our country who despise her, and us.

    I’m am as befuddled as you are. Why?

    i have a terrible feeling it’s  because  we’ve gotten so far away from the knowledge that it was the people who formed the government.  2.5 centuries…it’s been a good long run, at least.

    Agree totally. But our Founders were so special we have to find a way to celebrate them and convince the younger generations to appreciate the country in which they were born.

    Hell, most Millennials don’t even know who Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, Franklin were.

    It’s appalling.

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  18. Hypatia:
    But there is trust, at some bedrock level.

    I have that for the first time since I’ve become sensibly politically aware.

    Great comment.

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  19. Hypatia:

    Did you feel this way when Obama was President?  Did you support his great and noble goal of making a fair and equitable healthcare system for all?

    No of course I always hated B. Hussein.  But, uh, I guess it’s the difference between feeling the ship of state isn’t being very well piloted just at present, and feeling that the ship of state is sinking.  And worse, realizing a lot of our shipmates are willing to scuttle her just so the Captain will go down with’er!

    Yep, flip the situation around and that’s how the lefties feel. The ship of state is sinking.  And that the righties would have scuttled the ship to get rid of Obama.  Remember all the Impeach talk at that time?

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