Spiritual Question 2

Does God exist ?

Possible answers:

  1. Yes
  2. No
  3. Maybe
  4. Lots of gods exist; which one do you mean?
  5. I am God.
  6. We are all gods.
  7. Some of us will become gods.

We are still a long ways from my conception of God. I am simply probing about the other potential replies. Did I miss any options?

There are lots of people who would answer “yes” to Spiritual Question 1 (is there such a thing as a spiritual aspect to human existence?), but would answer “no” to this question.

I think Buddhists would answer “no,” possibly with qualifications. Jedis would give a similar answer. So would many New-Agers.

Agnostics and lots of New-Agers and “seekers” would answer “maybe.”

Pagans would give answer # 4, though some Neo-Pagans might answer #6, or even perhaps # 7. Mormons would be likely to answer both # 1 and # 7.

Theists and Deists answer “yes.” Is there anyone who would answer “yes” who could not be described as a Theist or a Deist?

What do y’all say ?

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  1. I’ll answer Yes to both questions,  #1 and #2.

    Regarding how others may respond, I would hazard the guess that if the ‘job title’/descriptor given above was changed from’ God’ to:   Creator, Allah, Divine, ‘Intelligence’, etc., you would see many No responses flip to Yes.

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  2. The Deist perspective: a belief in a God who created the world and inspired important Judeo-Christian values but has remained removed from our actions and expects us to carry the load henceforth.

    This just makes sense to me so my answer is yes.

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  3. Psalm 19
    1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 
    2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge.
    3 They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them.
    4 Yet their voicegoes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
    5 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
    6 It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is deprived of its warmth.

    Yes

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  4. This is one of the great questions of all times. People can see the exact same world and find proof for their answer.

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  5. NO.

    ONE.

    KNOWS.

    But it doesn’t matter, because we need the concept of  Supreme Being if we’re going to keep civil  order and hierarchies of command without resorting to mass murder.

    George Washington knew this.  Two decades later, Robespierre found it out the hard way.

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  6. Hypatia:
    NO.

    ONE.

    KNOWS.

    But it doesn’t matter, because we need the concept of  Supreme Being if we’re going to keep civil  order and hierarchies of command without resorting to mass murder.

    George Washington knew this.  Two decades later, Robespierre found it out the hard way.

    So we can put you down for # 3 ?

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  7. Don’t “ put me down” in any sense of that expression.

    ”Know then thyself, presume not God to  scan;/The proper study of Mankind is Man.”

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  8. Hypatia:
    Don’t “ put me down” in any sense of that expression.

    ”Know then thyself, presume not God to  scan;/The proper study of Mankind is Man.”

    OK; we will list you in the category “agnostic.”

    As to A. Pope:

    Go, teach Eternal Wisdom how to rule— Then drop into thyself, and be a fool!

    His message is not much different than what Job learned from God.

    You could learn a lot from Job.

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  9. Some may not know but I know there is a God and He is a very loving God. I can’t think of the many blessings in my life, look at my son, or see a beautiful sunset and come to any other conclusion.

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  10. Robert A. McReynolds:
    Some may not know but I know there is a God and He is a very loving God. I can’t think of the many blessings in my life, look at my son, or see a beautiful sunset and come to any other conclusion.

    I get that.  One thing I cannot do without is gratitude.  I must thank someone, I have been so fortunate!

    (So far, that is:  as some Chinese sage said, call no man happy until he is dead…)

    But, the flip side of that is that it’s really deliverance, from the pain and misery visited on so many other people.

    That’s why it’s said that the world makes sense if there is a good, benevolent  God but He’s not all powerful; or if there is an all-powerful God but He’s not all good.

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  11. MJBubba:

    Hypatia:
    Don’t “ put me down” in any sense of that expression.

    ”Know then thyself, presume not God to  scan;/The proper study of Mankind is Man.”

    OK; we will list you in the category “agnostic.”

    As to A. Pope:

    Go, teach Eternal Wisdom how to rule— Then drop into thyself, and be a fool!

    His message is not much different than what Job learned from God.

    You could learn a lot from Job.

     

     

    ———-Oh, I fancy I know it pretty well.  Satan ( not “the Devil” but merely one of the “Sons Of God”, i.e, angels ) comes before Him, and God boasts of Job.  Satan, the adversary angel, says , not  for nothing does Job love you! Meaning God has made Job rich and fertile and comfy.  So God gives Satan permission to afflict Job.  At first He draws the line at Job’s  body, but later relents on that, too. ( “Skin for skin”, sez Satan, “all that a man hath he will give for his life.”)

    So here’s the thing:  there IS a simple explanation for Job’s troubles!  It’s that God allowed Satan to torture Job, to see whether he  could be induced to curse God.

    So why not just tell Job that when he asks, instead of responding with a series of rhetorical questions like, can you make a leviathan or a horse!? Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth?!?   I think after all the poor guy has been through at God’s hands ( cuz it’s clear Satan cannot touch him without God’s express permission)  he deserved a straight answer.

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  12. Hypatia:

    Robert A. McReynolds:
    Some may not know but I know there is a God and He is a very loving God. I can’t think of the many blessings in my life, look at my son, or see a beautiful sunset and come to any other conclusion.

    I get that.  One thing I cannot do without is gratitude.  I must thank someone, I have been so fortunate!

    But, the flip side of that is that it’s really deliverance, from the pain and misery visited on so many other people.

    That’s why it’s said that the world makes sense if there is a good, benevolent  God but He’s not all powerful; or if there is an all-powerful God but He’s not all good.

    I am humble enough to know that I cannot know His plan. I am content enough to know I don’t want to. Yes suffering happens in the world as it does in my own personal experience. Personally speaking the suffering is what drives me to God even more because a loving God punishes his children and then brings them back up with forgiveness. That is really what the Old and New Testaments are all about: punishment and redemption. So I don’t try to explain the global suffering but I do not presume to question Him based on said suffering. Frankly, it’s just not my lane.

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  13. Robert A. McReynolds:

    Hypatia:

    Robert A. McReynolds:
    Some may not know but I know there is a God and He is a very loving God. I can’t think of the many blessings in my life, look at my son, or see a beautiful sunset and come to any other conclusion.

    I get that.  One thing I cannot do without is gratitude.  I must thank someone, I have been so fortunate!

    But, the flip side of that is that it’s really deliverance, from the pain and misery visited on so many other people.

    That’s why it’s said that the world makes sense if there is a good, benevolent  God but He’s not all powerful; or if there is an all-powerful God but He’s not all good.

    I am humble enough to know that I cannot know His plan. I am content enough to know I don’t want to. Yes suffering happens in the world as it does in my own personal experience. Personally speaking the suffering is what drives me to God even more because a loving God punishes his children and then brings them back up with forgiveness. That is really what the Old and New Testaments are all about: punishment and redemption. So I don’t try to explain the global suffering but I do not presume to question Him based on said suffering. Frankly, it’s just not my lane.

    Exactly, Robert!  That’s what Pope meant by “presume not God to scan”. Of humanity he writes:   “Created half to rise, and half to fall/Great Lord of all things, yet a prey to all! / Sole Judge Of truth, in ceaseless error hurled,

    The glory, jest, and riddle of the world!”

    We cant escape nor reason our way out of our paradoxical state.  The best we can do is cultivate our own garden.

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  14. Hypatia:
    That’s why it’s said that the world makes sense if there is a good, benevolent  God but He’s not all powerful; or if there is an all-powerful God but He’s not all good.

    Your thoughts veer closely to mind. There is a good, benevolent God, one who has chosen to give us the gifts of life and intellect and Judeo-Christian values communicated through Christ, but it’s up to us to run with those gifts.

    As a kid, the message I most related to is “God helps those who help themselves.” That was a powerful theme and served as one of the pillars of America’s creation.

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  15. P.S. It says a lot about the founders and the members of this site that I have ever felt comfortable discussing topics such as religion, SSM and abortion- all hot topics that turned into the “War of the Roses” on the other site.

    Normally, I’d avoid these subjects like the plague but members such as JJ really opened up the gates to discuss them.

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  16. EThompson:
    P.S. It says a lot about the founders and the members of this site that I have ever felt comfortable discussing topics such as religion, SSM and abortion- all hot topics that turned into the “War of the Roses” on the other site.

    ”War of the Bozos”  say I..😜

    Normally, I’d avoid these subjects like the plague but members such as JJ really opened up the gates to discuss them.

    …and it’s a shame,  that you would avoid them! Aren’t these really the most interesting things to discuss— at least when  the extremely intelligent, like you,  venture  their opinions?

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  17. That and politics. I used to listen to my mother chastise me for bringing up such subjects at dinner parties.

    My response: “Anything else you think is important or the least bit interesting to talk about?”

    Funny, the men always enjoyed it. 🙂

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