Getting the Vapors

I was wondering what the Ratizens thought about vaping. As far as we know it is a lesser of two evils but we don’t know for sure. In twenty or thirty years we will see the problems or lack of problems by this habit.

Are you a vapor? (A person who vapes.)

Should vaping be proactively restricted till we know more?

Can it be restricted because it is too ubiquitous?

Should people be given pearls to clutch if they want to get the vapors?

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  1. It’s not the “lesser of two evils”! Smoking takes years to kill people.  I lost my best friend to it, and it is horrible, but it’s not  sudden.  Vaping is relatively new, and  young people are dying from it!  CTFO!   Yuh, ban it!

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  2. Hypatia:
    It’s not the “lesser of two evils”! Smoking takes years to kill people.  I lost my best friend to it, and it is horrible, but it’s not  sudden.  Vaping is relatively new, and  young people are dying from it!  CTFO!   Yuh, ban it!

    Would you write more about this? If you need a lot of space to relate it please write another post.

    Hyp, I heard a doctor on Fox News that explain that he recommended vaping to get people off of cigarettes because they have tar which is deleterious.

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  3. 10 Cents:
    Are you a vapor? (A person who vapes.)

    No.  Here is Big Clive’s analysis of the recent incidents and consequent media frenzy.  Big Clive does sometimes vape, “because [he] enjoy[s] the visual effect”.  He never uses nicotine and has never smoked other than trying cigarettes as a youth and being nauseated by them.

    This strikes me as a level-headed analysis of the phenomenon.

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  4. drlorentz:

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    Can it be restricted because it is too ubiquitous?

    It’s not ubiquitous around me. I rarely see people vaping.

    I see people vaping but I ride public transportation so see more people. I see convenience stores pushing vaping products.

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  5. John Walker:

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    Are you a vapor? (A person who vapes.)

    No.  Here is Big Clive’s analysis of the recent incidents and consequent media frenzy.  Big Clive does sometimes vape, “because [he] enjoy[s] the visual effect”.  He never uses nicotine and has never smoked other than trying cigarettes as a youth and being nauseated by them.

    This strikes me as a level-headed analysis of the phenomenon.

    What conclusions did he come to?

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  6. What percentage of deaths are allowable for a product to be on the market?

    Should companies be liable for the misuse of their products?

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  7. 10 Cents:

    Hypatia:
    It’s not the “lesser of two evils”! Smoking takes years to kill people.  I lost my best friend to it, and it is horrible, but it’s not  sudden.  Vaping is relatively new, and  young people are dying from it!  CTFO!   Yuh, ban it!

    Would you write more about this? If you need a lot of space to relate it please write another post.

    Hyp, I heard a doctor on Fox News that explain that he recommended vaping to get people off of cigarettes because they have tar which is deleterious.

    Yuh tar is deleterious, but so, manifestly! are whatever chemicals you I have when you vape.  And much more swift and deadly.  No I won’t write more: the fact that people are dying already from vaping, which anyone can verify for him/herself, is evidence enough for me that Trump is right to ban it.

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    Hypatia:
    It’s not the “lesser of two evils”! Smoking takes years to kill people.  I lost my best friend to it, and it is horrible, but it’s not  sudden.  Vaping is relatively new, and  young people are dying from it!  CTFO!   Yuh, ban it!

    Would you write more about this? If you need a lot of space to relate it please write another post.

    Hyp, I heard a doctor on Fox News that explain that he recommended vaping to get people off of cigarettes because they have tar which is deleterious.

    Yuh, tar is deleterious, but so, manifestly! are whatever chemicals you inhale  when you vape.  And much more swift and deadly.  No, I won’t write more: the fact that people are dying already from vaping, (which anyone can verify for him/herself), is evidence enough for me that Trump is right to ban it.

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  9. 10 Cents:
    Do straight people not vape so often? (I don’t vape so it must be true. )

    No idea. All I know is that many stunning and brave leftists are “…standing up to Trump’s homophobic vape-ban proposition.”

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  10. drlorentz:

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    Now you are being a pest or PUNishing us.

    Am I infringing on the punmeister’s turf?

    Yes, I don’t like when people are smarter than I am. As soon as I find a reason to suspend you so it doesn’t look like I am getting even I’ll do it. (Just kidding. You believe me, right?)

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  11. Hypatia:

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    Hypatia:
    It’s not the “lesser of two evils”! Smoking takes years to kill people.  I lost my best friend to it, and it is horrible, but it’s not  sudden.  Vaping is relatively new, and  young people are dying from it!  CTFO!   Yuh, ban it!

    Would you write more about this? If you need a lot of space to relate it please write another post.

    Hyp, I heard a doctor on Fox News that explain that he recommended vaping to get people off of cigarettes because they have tar which is deleterious.

    Yuh, tar is deleterious, but so, manifestly! are whatever chemicals you inhale  when you vape.  And much more swift and deadly.  No, I won’t write more: the fact that people are dying already from vaping, (which anyone can verify for him/herself), is evidence enough for me that Trump is right to ban it.

    Thanks.

    Forgive me if I am bringing up a painful subject that may have happened fairly recently. I was just hoping your anecdote would show concretely the dangers better than the statistics. It is hard to lose a friend so needlessly.

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  12. Please help me out. How many products are there that bring chemicals into our lungs? I can only think of inhalers, cigarettes, and e-cigarettes.

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  13. 10 Cents:
    Please help me out. How many products are there that bring chemicals into our lungs? I can only think of inhalers, cigarettes, and e-cigarettes.

    Directly or indirectly?  There are a multitude of things which bring chemicals into the lungs mediated by transmission through the atmosphere.

    • Air fresheners
    • Perfume
    • Incense
    • Barbecues
    • Spray and vapour insecticides
    • Fragances in all kinds of consumer products
    • Spices (cinnamon, nutmeg, mint, etc.) valued for their aroma

    The only difference compared to something directly inhaled is the concentration of the chemical in the air ingested.  Even in the direct inhalers, the chemical concentration is relatively small compared to air.

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  14. John Walker:

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    Please help me out. How many products are there that bring chemicals into our lungs? I can only think of inhalers, cigarettes, and e-cigarettes.

    Directly or indirectly?  There are a multitude of things which bring chemicals into the lungs mediated by transmission through the atmosphere.

    • Air fresheners
    • Perfume
    • Incense
    • Barbecues
    • Spray and vapour insecticides
    • Fragances in all kinds of consumer products
    • Spices (cinnamon, nutmeg, mint, etc.) valued for their aroma

    The only difference compared to something directly inhaled is the concentration of the chemical in the air ingested.  Even in the direct inhalers, the chemical concentration is relatively small compared to air.

    I was thinking of things with high concentrations.

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  15. 10 Cents:
    I was thinking of things with high concentrations.

    Concentration is a smooth gradient: “high” depends upon what you’re inhaling.  Water vapour is harmless in any quantity, while hydrazine is toxic at 50 parts per million.  As Clive points out, inhaling vape fluid without any additives is almost identical to the fog generated at night clubs and rock concerts.  The concentration of tetraethyl lead in the air from burning leaded gasoline was very low, but highly deleterious to health.

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  17. John Walker:

    10 Cents:
    I was thinking of things with high concentrations.

    Concentration is an smooth gradient: “high” depends upon what you’re inhaling.  Water vapour is harmless in any quantity, while hydrazine is toxic at 50 parts per million.  As Clive points out, inhaling vape fluid without any additives is almost identical to the fog generated at night clubs and rock concerts.  The concentration of tetraethyl lead in the air from burning leaded gasoline was very low, but highly deleterious to health.

    Thank you for clarifying. Great points! I was thinking products that had delivery systems of deleterious substances in high enough quantities to the lungs. I suppose a steaming vaporizing device could be used to hurt one’s lungs by putting additives to the water.

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