Hecklers and Trolls

How do you know when someone is a heckler?

How do you know when someone is a troll?

I see a troll as a heckler with stamina. They are not interested in a discussion but in throwing up roadblocks on things they did not start and they are like Energizer Bunnies.

The example I have often thought of is religious people going to an atheist gathering to heckler their disbelief or atheists going to a place of worship to heckle belief. It is rude and wasting other people’s time and money but they often feel virtuous as they trash others.

At Ratburger, I don’t care if people have some back and forth. I cannot expect people to not go somewhat negative and ad hominem when they are debating things they care about. The key word is “somewhat”. If it gets more than a little jostling we no longer are dealing with topics but just fighting amongst ourselves. Also it gets humorous (at least for me) to see people tell each other off. Often the insults are not even good insults and show the negativity not in the other as much as in themselves. If you do insult, show some creativity.:-)

I could be wrong but I do expect people to handle some heat without melting around here. Oh, I know this might be novel for some of you but I expect myself to take some heat too. Rules are for the big people.

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27 thoughts on “Hecklers and Trolls”

  1. 10 Cents:
    Often the insults are not even good insults and show the negativity not in the other as much as in themselves. If you do insult, show some creativity

    True. I can appreciate a clever insult, even if it I’m the one being insulted, but mindless name calling (“you’re Hitler”, “You’re an idiot”, or worse “you’re a Democrat”) is of no value.

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  2. 10 Cents:
    How do you know when someone is a heckler?

    How do you know when someone is a troll?

    At a certain low-traffic NeverTrump vanity blog, you can tell because it says “Moderator” beneath their profile pics.

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  3. Mike LaRoche:

    10 Cents:
    How do you know when someone is a heckler?

    How do you know when someone is a troll?

    At a certain low-traffic NeverTrump vanity blog, you can tell because it says “Moderator” beneath their profile pics.

    You can’t say that.   Yes, you can. Freedom is nice to have.

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  4. Vance:

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    Often the insults are not even good insults and show the negativity not in the other as much as in themselves. If you do insult, show some creativity

    True. I can appreciate a clever insult, even if it I’m the one being insulted, but mindless name calling (“you’re Hitler”, “You’re an idiot”, or worse “you’re a Democrat”) is of no value.

    A good insult can really can be a thing of beauty. It is very depressing to not have a worthy opponent.

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  5. When does a person stop being part of a discussion and just continues giving a never ending one sided unproductive demonstration? They throw out misleading questions but never answer things. They only want to be listened to. They poke holes in other people’s arguments but rarely make consistent ones.

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  6. I saw enough times how the Heckler’s Veto was used. Conversations were stopped because Idiots Not In Charge couldn’t deal with it. They stop doing work for 24 hours while they went to their fainting couches. They were too stupid to see the problem was them. Truth was/is something to suppress for them.

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  7. Mike LaRoche:

    10 Cents:
    How do you know when someone is a heckler?

    How do you know when someone is a troll?

    At a certain low-traffic NeverTrump vanity blog, you can tell because it says “Moderator” beneath their profile pics.

    Sadly, I discovered that merely being a troll wasn’t enough of a qualification. Despite a quite excellent track record!

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  8. Damocles:

    Mike LaRoche:

    10 Cents:
    How do you know when someone is a heckler?

    How do you know when someone is a troll?

    At a certain low-traffic NeverTrump vanity blog, you can tell because it says “Moderator” beneath their profile pics.

    Sadly, I discovered that merely being a troll wasn’t enough of a qualification. Despite a quite excellent track record!

    Do I suspend you for calling yourself a troll, Damocles? How is it living under a bridge?

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  9. We saw a little bit of recent friction here, but only one Ratburgher got heated.

    I thought I was doing my part reasonably well.   “Heckler with stamina.”

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  10. MJBubba:
    We saw a little bit of recent friction here, but only one Ratburgher got heated.

    I thought I was doing my part reasonably well.   “Heckler with stamina.”

    Maybe you should write a post on how you do it so well. Natural talent or daily training?

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  11. 10 Cents:

    MJBubba:
    We saw a little bit of recent friction here, but only one Ratburgher got heated.

    I thought I was doing my part reasonably well.   “Heckler with stamina.”

    Maybe you should write a post on how you do it so well. Natural talent or daily training?

    Not much natural talent.   Lots of great training at R>.   There were plenty of talented examples to learn from, and it was a target-rich environment.

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  12. Damocles:

    MJBubba:
    We saw a little bit of recent friction here, but only one Ratburgher got heated.

    She will be back, she is in love with me.

    You have been under that bridge too long. Get used to rejection, Damocles. Quit groveling, man!

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  13. Attributing the author of this post and the various remarks the author has made to this post, one can safely say that the author is both a heckler and a troll, sometimes both at the same time. I know when I have been beaten by the actions of a troll or a heckler, it sometimes hurts, because mostly I consider myself above these actions. Now I said mostly, there have been times I had confronted the head troll/heckler with a graphic of two, but these were to no avail against someone that is both thick skinned and wearing a sweat sock.

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  14. G.D.:
    Attributing the author of this post and the various remarks the author has made to this post, one can safely say that the author is both a heckler and a troll, sometimes both at the same time. I know when I have been beaten by the actions of a troll or a heckler, it sometimes hurts, because mostly I consider myself above these actions. Now I said mostly, there have been times I had confronted the head troll/heckler with a graphic of two, but these were to no avail against someone that is both thick skinned and wearing a sweat sock.

    You can’t say that.   Yes, you can. Freedom is nice to have.

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  15. I need to add that hecklers and trolls often put up graphics. I remember one loved to put up the “beating a dead horse” picture. If one doesn’t like a thread, disagree but one should not complain about other people discussing it.

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  16. 10 Cents:
    I need to add that hecklers and trolls often put up graphics. I remember one loved to put up the “beating a dead horse” picture. If one doesn’t like a thread, disagree but one should not complain about other people discussing it.

    It took you that long to come up with that?

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  17. G.D.:

    10 Cents:
    I need to add that hecklers and trolls often put up graphics. I remember one loved to put up the “beating a dead horse” picture. If one doesn’t like a thread, disagree but one should not complain about other people discussing it.

    It took you that long to come up with that?

    Yes.

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  18. 10 Cents:
    I need to add that hecklers and trolls often put up graphics. I remember one loved to put up the “beating a dead horse” picture. If one doesn’t like a thread, disagree but one should not complain about other people discussing it.

    Young hecklers and trolls these days aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit.  If you can’t drive someone into a screaming frenzy with nothing more than a character terminal and modem you need to get your sorry fake annoying behind into another line of work.

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  19. Damocles:

    10 Cents:
    I need to add that hecklers and trolls often put up graphics. I remember one loved to put up the “beating a dead horse” picture. If one doesn’t like a thread, disagree but one should not complain about other people discussing it.

    Young hecklers and trolls these days aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit.  If you can’t drive someone into a screaming frenzy with nothing more than a character terminal and modem you need to get your sorry fake annoying behind into another line of work.

    Yes; I am sure you were trolling on Compuserve, uphill both ways in the snow.

    I came to it late; I did not learn proper trolling until after Mollie left R>.

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  20. Damocles:

    10 Cents:
    I need to add that hecklers and trolls often put up graphics. I remember one loved to put up the “beating a dead horse” picture. If one doesn’t like a thread, disagree but one should not complain about other people discussing it.

    Young hecklers and trolls these days aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit.  If you can’t drive someone into a screaming frenzy with nothing more than a character terminal and modem you need to get your sorry fake annoying behind into another line of work.

    Gerry is not recognizing your work, Damocles. You must be slipping. What lousy work have you done for us lately?

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  21. MJBubba:

    Damocles:

    10 Cents:
    I need to add that hecklers and trolls often put up graphics. I remember one loved to put up the “beating a dead horse” picture. If one doesn’t like a thread, disagree but one should not complain about other people discussing it.

    Young hecklers and trolls these days aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit.  If you can’t drive someone into a screaming frenzy with nothing more than a character terminal and modem you need to get your sorry fake annoying behind into another line of work.

    Yes; I am sure you were trolling on Compuserve, uphill both ways in the snow.

    I came to it late; I did not learn proper trolling until after Mollie left.

     

    Bubba, you remind me of Harry Truman. I will change the quote.

    I never did give anybody troll. I just told the truth and they thought it was troll.

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  22. MJBubba:

    Damocles:

    10 Cents:
    I need to add that hecklers and trolls often put up graphics. I remember one loved to put up the “beating a dead horse” picture. If one doesn’t like a thread, disagree but one should not complain about other people discussing it.

    Young hecklers and trolls these days aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit.  If you can’t drive someone into a screaming frenzy with nothing more than a character terminal and modem you need to get your sorry fake annoying behind into another line of work.

    Yes; I am sure you were trolling on Compuserve, uphill both ways in the snow.

    And in UPPER CASE!

    You may remember a few of my finer works, such as The Brooklyn Fox “That’s right I’m a 19 year old blonde babe in NYC, sure we could talk if you tell me your Dad’s MCI code” and KAPTAN KIKASS “YEAH UR POWNED, I GOT GOT UR DADS MCI CODE SO NEEL B4 ZOD JERKFACE”

    I came to it late; I did not learn proper trolling until after Mollie left R>.

    For coming to it so late you’ve done a great job.  Natural Talent shines through!

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  23. 10 Cents:
    Gerry is not recognizing your work, Damocles. You must be slipping. What lousy work have you done for us lately?

    I did help him change his blinker fluid, that should count for something!

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