Peak Absurd

Ross Douthat has a column in the NYT today entitled The Case for Bernie, which actually includes the phrase “the conservative’s case for Bernie.” He may as well have written “the conservative case for socialism.” But don’t worry too much; Douthat “technically” prefers “a moderate like Biden or Amy Klobuchar.” Whew! That’s a relief.

This is the latest in a seemingly endless series of “the conservative case for …” pieces by alleged conservatives. We’ve finally reached the point where Conservative Inc is advocating socialism because, I guess, OrangeManBad. This is even worse than Bill Kristol. What’s next, the conservative case for communism?

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Author: drlorentz

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  1. I’m entirely with you on being disgusted when people like Kristol are advertised as conservative, but I’m surprised some are rejecting the term ‘conservative’ outright. How do you classify your values if not conservative?

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  2. Pencilvania:
    I’m entirely with you on being disgusted when people like Kristol are advertised as conservative, but I’m surprised some are rejecting the term ‘conservative’ outright. How do you classify your values if not conservative?

    To whom are you addressing your question? Or was that a general question?

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  3. Robert A. McReynolds:

    Pencilvania:
    I’m entirely with you on being disgusted when people like Kristol are advertised as conservative, but I’m surprised some are rejecting the term ‘conservative’ outright. How do you classify your values if not conservative?

    To whom are you addressing your question? Or was that a general question?

    Well with comment # 7 Black Prince says ” Conservatism is totally dead to me  . . . conservatism as it currently exists doesn’t actually conserve anything,” and a number of people ‘liked’ the comment so I thought they were of similar opinion.

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  4. Pencilvania:

    Robert A. McReynolds:

    Pencilvania:
    I’m entirely with you on being disgusted when people like Kristol are advertised as conservative, but I’m surprised some are rejecting the term ‘conservative’ outright. How do you classify your values if not conservative?

    To whom are you addressing your question? Or was that a general question?

    Well with comment # 7 Black Prince says ” Conservatism is totally dead to me  . . . conservatism as it currently exists doesn’t actually conserve anything,” and a number of people ‘liked’ the comment so I thought they were of similar opinion.

    I will chime in.  Just what has Conservatism conserved ?   To me Conservatism conserves where the left last planted their flag. Then it wait’s for the next advance then conserves that. A little bit of time lapses before Conservatism accepts the last flag plant. However, it accepts it none the less.  Homo marriage is now being conserved.

    The problem with conservatism it is always defending it’s own goal. It has advanced nothing. It’s trophy case is empty.

    This is why I liked Black Princes comment.

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  5. Kevin Schulte:

    Pencilvania:

    Robert A. McReynolds:

    Pencilvania:
    I’m entirely with you on being disgusted when people like Kristol are advertised as conservative, but I’m surprised some are rejecting the term ‘conservative’ outright. How do you classify your values if not conservative?

    To whom are you addressing your question? Or was that a general question?

    Well with comment # 7 Black Prince says ” Conservatism is totally dead to me  . . . conservatism as it currently exists doesn’t actually conserve anything,” and a number of people ‘liked’ the comment so I thought they were of similar opinion.

    I will chime in.  Just what has Conservatism conserved ?   To me Conservatism conserves where the left last planted their flag. Then it wait’s for the next advance then conserves that. A little bit of time lapses before Conservatism accepts the last flag plant. However, it accepts it none the less.  Homo marriage is now being conserved.

    The problem with conservatism it is always defending it’s own goal. It has advanced nothing. It’s trophy case is empty.

    This is why I liked Black Princes comment.

    I’d add Michael Malice’s conservatism is progressivism driving at the speed limit: an amusing way to say the same thing. Empty trophy case is also good.

    The recent attacks on the groypers, the behavior of the NeverTrumpers, and the subject of this post represent a new and more pernicious trend that goes beyond defending one’s own goal. Now Conservative Inc. are doing the advance work for the Left. They are “…skirmishers, running ahead of the main battle line in the culture war. In this case, the job is to anathematize the critics, so they can be more easily dismissed by the main army of the Left.”

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  6. I have seen real progress in the culture on the abortion issue.   A majority of Americans would favor serious restrictions on abortion if they could be advanced in their state.   Restrictions on abortion have found good legal footing in about half of the red states, with real prospects for additional advances.   “Moderate” restrictions would win even in blue states if they could be put on the ballot, but Democrats keep blocking those measures.   If President Trump wins re-election, we are likely to see a future Supreme Court case result in abortion being returned to the states.

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  7. I have seen real progress in the culture on the transgender issue.   A majority of Americans oppose allowing bio males to compete in womens’ sports.  A majority of Americans are persuadable that gender bending hormone treatments are a bad idea for young teens, and that sex change surgery should not be performed on elementary age kids.   There is real opportunity to turn back the crazy; we just need to keep pushing back, and pushing hard.

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  8. I have even seen a glimmer of progress in the culture on the economics front.   Even low-information voters on our side, typically the clueless ones, agree that the Democrats would bankrupt America with their socialist plans.   With a good effort, we may be able to win back some of those House seats that were lost in 2018.

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  9. Look, gang, only one out of two political teams is saying anything good about American values.   Only one of the two teams has any chance of advancing our issues.

    I am really happy to see fire aimed at the Nevers, because they have abandoned the ship and are launching what we called “friendly fire” in 2016, but which now is indistinguishable from the fire we take from the Left.

    But I am dismayed to see our own fire aimed at our allies.   Put some TEA Party energy into a few primary challenges, but otherwise, support the members of the team.   For example, Susan Collins is probably the very most conservative candidate that could win a senate seat in Maine.   She should be supported, even if she is a major squish.

    There are many other examples.   Politics is a team sport, and our team desperately needs all hands pulling together.

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  10. MJBubba:
    But I am dismayed to see our own fire aimed at our allies.   Put some TEA Party energy into a few primary challenges, but otherwise, support the members of the team.   For example, Susan Collins is probably the very most conservative candidate that could win a senate seat in Maine.   She should be supported, even if she is a major squish.

    Nobody is aiming fire at allies. There is a real issue with so-called allies aiming fire at us, however. That kind of fire gets returned.

    As for Susan Collins, I think she’s great under the circumstances. After she voted to confirm Kavanaugh, which took courage, I was even going to send her some money. Never got around to it but it’s the thought that counts, right? 😉 But Romney is an opportunistic traitor.

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  11. drlorentz:
    As for Susan Collins, I think she’s great under the circumstances. After she voted to confirm Kavanaugh, which took courage, I was even going to send her some money.

    We actually did send money to Susan Collins’s campaign, after we got an ad in the mail that trashed her for voting to confirm Kavanaugh and requested funds for whoever wins the Democrat primary to run against her.  The poisonous bile in that ad pushed us into real action.

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  12. “Conservatism” is no longer a word I can identify with after having discovered people like Murray Rothbard. When you discover that the modern “conservative” movement was little more than a coopting of an individualist movement that had loosely been vibrant up until the New Deal and that “conservatism” sought to downplay the importance of individualism in the name of “Cold War,” you begin to realize what a sham “conservatism” is. Remember, it was WFB who stated in 1953 that we must accept a totalitarian administrative state at home to fight one abroad and now “conservatives” vigorously fight to defend that administrative state when fighting new boogeymen. Bubba points to a couple of politicians as needing to be supported because they are the best we can get from their States. But the leader in the Senate also saw to it that the best from other States were stopped in places like Mississippi and Alaska. You will never see a “conservative” fight as hard as when he is fighting someone serious about what we all think “conservatism” is. “Conservatism” is a sham. It is traditionalism cloaking warmongers.

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  13. Bubba all of your victories are ones that come to fruition at the State and local level. There is not one serious victory you can point to that comes from the general government. Hell they can’t even stop sending federal dollars to Planned Parenthood when the GOP runs Congress! And I wouldn’t put your hopes in SCOTUS overturning Roe. I would wager it survives. Having gone through the leftist legal factory, I am here to tell you that one of the “conservative” justices will uphold it. They will find a way.

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  14. Robert A. McReynolds:
    Bubba all of your victories are ones that come to fruition at the State and local level. There is not one serious victory you can point to that comes from the general government. Hell they can’t even stop sending federal dollars to Planned Parenthood when the GOP runs Congress! And I wouldn’t put your hopes in SCOTUS overturning Roe. I would wager it survives. Having gone through the leftist legal factory, I am here to tell you that one of the “conservative” justices will uphold it. They will find a way.

    I count 164 federal judges selected for their commitment to the rule of law as a conservative victory.

    I count upsetting the Chinese applecart as a conservative victory.

    I count strengthening the southern border as part of a victory, showing real progress, though it turned out to be much more difficult than it should be.

    I count rescinding the “Dear Colleague” letter and reversing Title IX goofy bathroom policies as a conservative victory.

    There are others.   I am sure you and Black Prince will brush them all off and continue on your path of gloom.

    You can hunker down in your bunkers, Puddleglum, and wait for societal collapse.

    I will go down fighting.

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  15. MJBubba:
    I count upsetting the Chinese applecart as a conservative victory.

    I count strengthening the southern border as part of a victory, showing real progress, though it turned out to be much more difficult than it should be.

    On the contrary, Conservative Inc loves “free” trade with China, just as they love open borders. Why do you think “…it turned out to be much more difficult than it should be”? They are working hand-in-glove with the globalist Left.

    MJBubba:

    You can hunker down in your bunkers, Puddleglum, and wait for societal collapse.

    I will go down fighting.

    It’s not a matter of hunkering down and waiting for collapse. It’s recognizing who all the enemies are. You will go down fighting as your “friends” stab you in the back, as they have been doing for years; it’s easier than a frontal attack. Only in that final moment will the truth become plain. With your last, bittersweet breath you’ll utter, “Ah, now I understand.”

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  16. If I remember the story, Puddleglum was the hero. He persevered when others did not. He talked despaired but he didn’t walk that life. Sadly, people who say they will fight to the bitter end often do not. No one knows how one will react when the time comes.

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  17. MJBubba:

    Robert A. McReynolds:
    Bubba all of your victories are ones that come to fruition at the State and local level. There is not one serious victory you can point to that comes from the general government. Hell they can’t even stop sending federal dollars to Planned Parenthood when the GOP runs Congress! And I wouldn’t put your hopes in SCOTUS overturning Roe. I would wager it survives. Having gone through the leftist legal factory, I am here to tell you that one of the “conservative” justices will uphold it. They will find a way.

    I count 164 federal judges selected for their commitment to the rule of law as a conservative victory.

    I count upsetting the Chinese applecart as a conservative victory.

    I count strengthening the southern border as part of a victory, showing real progress, though it turned out to be much more difficult than it should be.

    I count rescinding the “Dear Colleague” letter and reversing Title IX goofy bathroom policies as a conservative victory.

    There are others.   I am sure you and Black Prince will brush them all off and continue on your path of gloom.

    You can hunker down in your bunkers, Puddleglum, and wait for societal collapse.

    I will go down fighting.

    Those are good points I grant you, but happens to the China initiative and the southern border after Trump, especially if that means after 2020? The judges are here to stay—although if you know me you will know I am less than optimistic these judges are anything but more of the same—and the Dear Colleague letter is good. But are these really serious enough on which one can hang their hat?

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  18. 10 Cents:
    If I remember the story, Puddleglum was the hero. He persevered when others did not. He talked despaired but he didn’t walk that life. Sadly, people who say they will fight to the bitter end often do not. No one knows how one will react when the time comes.

    What story is this? I might want to read it.

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  19. Robert A. McReynolds:
    But are these really serious enough on which one can hang their hat?

    Aren’t they?   We are all hankering for more, but what options are there?

    None of these would have gone our way if Hillary had won.   Every one of them would be quickly reversed if a Democrat wins in 2020.

    I don’t care how angry you get with Team GOP, it is the only option.   America is too far gone to withstand a Democrat term in the White House.

    I have heard the strategy of let it all crash and burn and then rebuild from the wreckage.   That strategy assumes that the crash will be short-lived and that major American institutions will still be intact enough to be recoverable.   I think that is a false hope.   Four full years of a Communist Anti-American president would be likely to send western civilization into free-fall.   The ensuing great depression would be long and violent.  A couple of generations would pass before some places could establish order according to the precepts of the West.

    The only way forward is to build up the Republican Party, giving as much support as possible to real conservatives where we find them, and giving as much support as needed to help the squishes win so as to reduce the numbers of Democrats in Washington.   This strategy requires a second Trump Administration, and it requires a heavy lift from all conservatives to teach real honest history and economics to as many young people as possible.

    I also think the rescue of western civilization requires a great effort at Christian evangelization on the part of traditionalist Christians.

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  20. MJBubba:

    Robert A. McReynolds:
    But are these really serious enough on which one can hang their hat?

    Aren’t they?   We are all hankering for more, but what options are there?

    None of these would have gone our way if Hillary had won.   Every one of them would be quickly reversed if a Democrat wins in 2020.

    I don’t care how angry you get with Team GOP, it is the only option.   America is too far gone to withstand a Democrat term in the White House.

    I have heard the strategy of let it all crash and burn and then rebuild from the wreckage.   That strategy assumes that the crash will be short-lived and that major American institutions will still be intact enough to be recoverable.   I think that is a false hope.   Four full years of a Communist Anti-American president would be likely to send western civilization into free-fall.   The ensuing great depression would be long and violent.  A couple of generations would pass before some places could establish order according to the precepts of the West.

    The only way forward is to build up the Republican Party, giving as much support as possible to real conservatives where we find them, and giving as much support as needed to help the squishes win so as to reduce the numbers of Democrats in Washington.   This strategy requires a second Trump Administration, and it requires a heavy lift from all conservatives to teach real honest history and economics to as many young people as possible.

    I also think the rescue of western civilization requires a great effort at Christian evangelization on the part of traditionalist Christians.

    Good luck!

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  21. Robert A. McReynolds:

    10 Cents:
    If I remember the story, Puddleglum was the hero. He persevered when others did not. He talked despaired but he didn’t walk that life. Sadly, people who say they will fight to the bitter end often do not. No one knows how one will react when the time comes.

    What story is this? I might want to read it.

    Puddleglum the Marshwiggle is a character in The Silver Chair, which is part of the Narnia series by C.S. Lewis.

    10 Cents is correct.   Though he spoke through the entire adventure of his conviction that the mission would fail and they would all die, yet faithful Puddleglum stuck by his friends and persevered to the end.

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