Trust

Remember how President Trump rocked the boat at NATO in July of 2018, and then held a summit with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki?  And how Dems, Nevers and Talking Snake Media all went nuts when President Trump took Putin at his word, instead of repeating the blather from U.S. intelligence agency professionals ?

At the time, we said at Happy Warriors that we liked Trump’s performance, and we only wished he had been more aggressive.   In the Helsinki joint press conference, President Trump was challenged about did he trust the American intelligence community.   We said at the time that we wished he had said:

‘Why should I trust them?  They don’t trust me.’

President Trump should listen to Happy Warriors.   We were right.   The Inspector General’s report reveals several ways in which it turns out that senior intelligence agency managers were lying to our President.   The report is long and detailed, and seems written in a way to make the important parts hard to find.   Which means that we have had a trickle of reports over the past month as analysts on our side put together the jigsaw puzzle of dishonesty.

The Summit:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

Lying liars at the intelligence agencies, as revealed in this collection of links:

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/19/the-inside-story-of-how-americas-intelligence-agencies-tried-to-undo-trumps-election/

https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/09/brennan-lied-about-not-including-steele-dossier-in-intelligence-community-assessment-on-2016-russian-election-interference/

Margot Cleveland– https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/10/ig-report-shows-comey-lied-to-congress-about-fbi-investigation-of-trump-campaign/

Mollie:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/10/ig-report-confirms-schiff-fisa-memo-media-praised-was-riddled-with-lies/

more Mollie–
https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/11/hemingway-spygate-intel-abuse-is-the-greatest-scandal-of-our-generation/

https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/11/fbi-lied-to-congress-about-fake-defensive-briefing-of-trump-campaign-in-2016/

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/12/12/kimberley-strassel-buried-ig-report-line-poses-enormous-question-central-everything/

Margot Cleveland– https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/20/ig-report-hints-james-comey-was-in-on-fbis-fisa-misconduct/

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2019/12/23/catherine-herridge-highlights-more-info-in-the-ig-report-that-doesnt-look-good-for-comey-and-others/

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  1. MJBubba:
    Lying liars at the intelligence agencies, as revealed in this collection of links:

    You are being too kind. They are lying traitors to their country, to their oath of office, and to the American people.

    The public should be up in arms, going after these miscreants with torches and pitchforks.

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  2. You could have started with Chuck U. saying on one of the Sunday shows that the intelligence community has six ways from Sunday of getting to you if you challenge them as the CiC. That was before the inauguration!

    Nunes recently said that the FISA Court needs to be done away with. I think doing this would be a great first step if Trump can win in 2020 and get a majority GOP congress behind it. I hope if Trump is given a second term that he spends it dismantling the IC. It has become a shadow government directly at odds with the People’s best interests.

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  3. Robert A. McReynolds:
    You could have started with Chuck U. saying on one of the Sunday shows that the intelligence community has six ways from Sunday of getting to you if you challenge them as the CiC. That was before the inauguration!

    I know, right!??!  He actually announced exactly what the intelligence agencies were planning to do, and DID!  And he even provided the folksy tag “six ways from Sunday” so it’d be easy to remember!

    And yet…when we saw it happening, and now that we’re still seeing new info about their treachery every day: 

    Nome dare call it treason.

    lets hope the rest of that couplet doesn’t turn out to be prophetic:

    ”Treason doth never prosper. What’s the reason?/Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”

    Nunes recently said that the FISA Court needs to be done away with. I think doing this would be a great first step if Trump can win in 2020 and get a majority GOP congress behind it. I hope if Trump is given a second term that he spends it dismantling the IC. It has become a shadow government directly at odds with the People’s best interests.

    yes.at least  let’s demand some report from it: from what dire consequence has it saved us?  What has it done for us lately (or ever)?

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  4. During the time that NSA was conducting bulk collection of US citizens comms there was the underware bomber, Time Swuare bomber, Ft Hood shooter. All of which had expressed jihadi sentiments via modes of communications that FISA specifically targets. Two of them were on FBI watchlists. The underware bomber’s dad warned the US of his intent. Bottom line is that the IC is a mechanism to strip the people’s freedom in the name of Empire. This is the result of empire and there is not a single instance in history where there has been empire and no loss of freedom. IC delenda est!

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  5. Well, we don’t have a good accounting of the FISA Court.   I suppose the Senate Judiciary Committee would be the locus of congressional oversight?

    The idea is a good one, isn’t it?   That if our intelligence agencies have a really good reason to spy on an American citizen, they could present their reasons to a secret court, and obtain a warrant that would allow spying.   Because spying on citizens is something we don’t want them to do without some screening tool.

    If they did not have the FISA Court, do you suppose they would obey a blanket prohibition against spying on citizens?   And if they did, how could they ever nab those guys who are diverting charitable donations to terrorists?

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  6. drlorentz:

    MJBubba:
    Lying liars at the intelligence agencies, as revealed in this collection of links:

    You are being too kind. They are lying traitors to their country, to their oath of office, and to the American people.

    The republic should be up in arms, going after these miscreants with torches and pitchforks.

    I agree.   I am hoping and praying for Barr and Durham.  We desperately need for them to render justice.

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  7. I don’t think you are presenting an argument. They are not going to stop spying on Americans so we have no recourse? Also since the Holy Land Foundation case, what group or person have they actually shut down for funding terrorism? Sure they have used these anti-terror financing laws to hurt drug cartels in Latin America but they have done nothing to curtail the Qatari and Saudi royals from funding jihadis, of which we are supposed to be terrified. The War on Terror is a sham to scare Americans into giving up their freedoms in the name of fighting an imaginary “existential threat.” Since 2001, the US has lost more liberty at the hands of the general government in DC than al Qai’ada could have ever accomplished. You are succumbing to propaganda and I am hoping to shake you out of it.

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  8. MJBubba:
    The idea is a good one, isn’t it?

    No.  This, however, seems like a good idea.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Secret courts are like secret police: you have to ask yourself why it’s being kept secret, what they’re doing that you don’t know about and they don’t want you to know, and quis custodiet ipsos custodes?  If regular Article Three courts are good enough to issue warrants in cases involving organised crime, it’s less than clear why opaque and unaccountable courts are required in cases involving a bunch of 90 IQ fanatics and their deluded followers.  When all of this stuff about mass surveillance started to come out after 2010, whacko-birds like Ron and Rand Paul and myself warned that before long, if not already, these powers would be abused for political ends.  Cooler heads such as soi-disant “libertarian” Richard Epstein (who I admire on many issues) said there was nothing to worry about, that appropriate checks and balances were provided for, and that there had been no evidence of abuse to justify suspicion.  But then the hotter heads observed that the whole point of secret courts and police is that the evidence of abuse will be…secret.  And sure enough, just a few years after Snowden’s disclosures, it turns out the FISA mechanism was used to spy on a major party candidate for president, and nobody has gone to jail for doing that.

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  9. Bryan G. Stephens:
    Mollie, Mollie, Mollie!

    Mollie is great fun to read.   She brings an intellectual snappyness to her snark as she rips them to pieces.

    The best fun is when she aims her outrage at journalists.

    I have also learned to look for the byline of Margot Cleveland.

    I expect the final word on the Russia Collusion Hoax will be coauthored by Mollie and Ms. Cleveland.

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  10. I recall seeing a cartoon soon after the 9/11 attacks that depicted two towers labeled liberty and privacy being hit by aircraft, probably labeled something like fear and safety. To me, that captured the true meaning of the attacks. Today, almost twenty years on, we can see how prescient this cartoon was.

    There we’re so many things wrong with the responses, yet they were understandable or at least predictable. Yet Ben Franklin’s words echoed in my mind:

    Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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  11. John Walker:

    MJBubba:
    The idea is a good one, isn’t it?

    No.  This, however, seems like a good idea.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Secret courts are like secret police: you have to ask yourself why it’s being kept secret, what they’re doing that you don’t know about and they don’t want you to know, and quis custodiet ipsos custodes?  If regular Article Three courts are good enough to issue warrants in cases involving organised crime, it’s less than clear why opaque and unaccountable courts are required in cases involving a bunch of 90 IQ fanatics and their deluded followers.  When all of this stuff about mass surveillance started to come out after 2010, whacko-birds like Ron and Rand Paul and myself warned that before long, if not already, these powers would be abused for political ends.  Cooler heads such as soi-disant “libertarian” Richard Epstein (who I admire on many issues) said there was nothing to worry about, that appropriate checks and balances were provided for, and that there had been no evidence of abuse to justify suspicion.  But then the hotter heads observed that the whole point of secret courts and police is that the evidence of abuse will be…secret.  And sure enough, just a few years after Snowden’s disclosures, it turns out the FISA mechanism was used to spy on a major party candidate for president, and nobody has gone to jail for doing that.

    Judge Collyer gave the DOJ until January 10 to make their case that the intelligence agencies should be allowed to continue to use the FISA Court.   I will be interested to see what they say.  Lindsey Graham is calling for reforms; he is chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, so his opinion matters.

    It looks like a shake-up is in the works.   I doubt if the system will be eliminated, but a little sunshine will be good.

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  12. Zman has a link to an interview with diGenova and a post at Conservative Treehouse analyzing the IC misbehavior. Zman concludes,

    One of the signs of ruling class collapse is when they can no longer enforce the rules that maintain them as a ruling class. When the Romans started making exceptions to republican governance, it was a matter of time before someone simply decided the rules no longer applied to them. Perhaps the robot historians will consider Obama our Marius or Sulla. Maybe that person is in the near future. Either way, the rule of law is over and what comes next is the rule of men.

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  13. The reforms will be putting lipstick on a pig. Do you really expect the IC to come back to Judge Collyer and say “we shouldn’t be doing this”? Do you really expect Lindsey—Mr. Empire—to do anything of substance to diminish the one tool of perpetual empire? Inconceivable!

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  14. MJBubba:

    drlorentz:
    a post at Conservative Treehouse

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/12/23/joe-digenova-discusses-possibilities-from-former-nsa-director-mike-rogers-working-with-u-s-attorney-john-durham/

    It contains an image of Judge Rosemary Collyer’s letter.   I had read excerpts, but had not seen the image.   I am impressed at how much of her letter was redacted.

    Thanks. I shoulda linked the CTH post directly. It also has an analysis of the FISC opinion. Since there’s a lot of jargon and since it’s 99 pages long, it’s helpful that someone else has done the work.

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  15. Reflecting on the title of this post, it goes beyond loss of trust in the intelligence community or the Swamp generally. We are transitioning to a low-trust society, broadly. Corruption and diversity are the two principal causative factors. Social cohesion and trust are disintegrating before our very eyes.

    The changes, even over the last ten or twenty years have been remarkable. A person brought forward in time from 2000 would be incredulous at what has happened in such a short time. I am deeply saddened for what is happening to this great country: once a shining city on the hill, a beacon of hope for the world. All empires fall but not all are equal; some are more deserving of existence than others.

    My apologies for being such a downer in this season of joy. Though I’m joyful in my own life with those around me, it hurts to see the wanton destruction of beauty and virtue.

    May you all have a Merry Christmas with your families. Enjoy a respite from the cares of the world and draw strength from the love of those near to you.

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  16. drlorentz:
    Reflecting on the title of this post, it goes beyond loss of trust in the intelligence community or the Swamp generally. We are transitioning to a low-trust society, broadly. Corruption and diversity are the two principal causative factors. Social cohesion and trust are disintegrating before our very eyes.

    The changes, even over the last ten or twenty years have been remarkable. A person brought forward in time from 2000 would be incredulous at what has happened in such a short time. I am deeply saddened for what is happening to this great country: once a shining city on the hill, a beacon of hope for the world. All empires fall but not all are equal; some are more deserving of existence than others.

    My apologies for being such a downer in this season of joy. Though I’m joyful in my own life with those around me, it hurts to see the wanton destruction of beauty and virtue.

    May you all have a Merry Christmas with your families. Enjoy a respite from the cares of the world and draw strength from the love of those near to you.

    Thanks.

    I am optimistic for the short term, meaning the next election.   That is a change from three months ago.

    I am an optimist over the next couple of decades; I think the American Experiment can continue to chug along on inertia for that long.

    I am a pessimist over the remainder of this century.   Western Civilization is perched on the precipice, and the forces of darkness are arrayed against us.  We have an entire Party that now is controlled by full Leftists, whether wittingly or unwittingly they are doing the work of the Enemy.

    LORD, preserve us.

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  17. Also,  you should not use the word “empire.”   It is a trigger word for Robert.

    I am just in for a brief pit stop.  Snooks was the accompanist for 7:00 pm Christmas Eve service at Holy Spirit, and soon we will be off so she can accompany the 11:00 pm Christmas Eve worship at Faith.   I am the chauffer.

    Merry Christmas to all y’all.

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  18. MJBubba:
    I am optimistic for the short term, meaning the next election.   That is a change from three months ago.

    I am an optimist over the next couple of decades; I think the American Experiment can continue to chug along on inertia for that long.

    I agree the next election looks good at this moment. Declines are never monotonic; there are temporary reversals. But Trump is just a speed bump on the road to perdition.

    It’s hard to plot the timeline for decline. The pace has picked up lately. Extrapolating the current trend predicts we don’t have a couple of good decades. There could be a reprieve for a decade or two. On the other hand, the decline could accelerate. When things begin to fail, they often fail suddenly. I wouldn’t be surprised by either alternative.

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