No, It Isn’t Diplomacy

About Trump’s plan for a Palestinian state, Warren tweeted that “releasing a peace plan without negotiating with the Palestinians isn’t diplomacy, it’s a sham.”

She’s right that it “isn’t diplomacy”. And that’s a good thing.

It is diplomacy itself that is a “sham” in this context, and has been for, like, 70 years now. Has anyone ever “negotiated”on behalf of the “Palestinians” who would actually consider anything short of destruction of Israel?

Wasn’t it Kissinger who coined the term “peace process”? Brilliant. “Hope springs eternal in the human breast:/Man never is , but always to be, blest!” As Pope wrote. There was an ongoing “process” and unfortunately Israel on more than one occasion sacrificed some of its precious, minuscule territory on its altar. (Israel even post 1967 is smaller than New Jersey and with less population.) “Land for peace!” Yuh. They gave up the land, but never got the peace.

Even now, where Trump, inexplicably declining to repeat the same “diplomatic” tactics which have failed time and time again, proposes a Palestinian state carved out of Israel’s present territory—right in the heart of it! both Netanyahu and Ganz are on board. They’re willing to donate a liver to the Palestinians, if only their own country could, finally, stand down from its walls.

Trump’s plan would make Jerusalem the capital of Israel (duh!) but specifies that people of all faiths should be able to pray at the Temple Mount. (WOW! does that include Jews, who alone presently cannot do so even though they have the most venerable claim on the site?)

This plan is Trump’s attempt to cut the Gordian knot, slice the baby in half.

This reminds me of divorce cases. Mediate up the wazoo, let each side submit a proposal, and yet again another, for distribution of maritalproperty. But often the parties’ positions have hardened into: “If HE (or SHE) wants this, then I DO NOT! Never!!” And at that point, the Divorce Master, or the Court, steps in and orders a plan for division.

And in my experience, although both parties hate the adjudicator, rail against the judgment, call it arbitrary and unfair— this often comes as a relief to both.

Yes, Elizabeth, diplomacy has been a sham.

Let’s get real.

Trump,is serious about the deal, as evidenced by the fact that this is the first such proposal which has ever included an actual map! (I read that yesterday; can that really be true?)

In the event that Trump’s plan goes nowhere, that makes it no worse than the interminable “diplomatic” efforts over the past 70 years.

But it IS something new, something untried and not yet repeatedly failed. That gives it a least a chance of success. And it demonstrates Trump’s sanity in refusing to keep on doing “diplomacy” and expecting a different result than its oft-demonstrated failure.

It is our President who is the true “progressive”. Heretofore we have seen only preening “processives”, addicted to Photo-op diplomacy.

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12 thoughts on “No, It Isn’t Diplomacy”

  1. Five years ago I suggested at R> that a two-state solution could only work if the Palestinian state were run as a colony of Israel.

    Israel could administer.  America could supply monitors/observers that could invite Europeans and Arabs to come watch how things go.   Most Palestinians would be very happy with this arrangement.   If Iranian and Wahhabi funds could be prevented from going to jihadist firebrands, it could be a workable arrangement.

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  2. Hypatia:
    Trump,is serious about the deal

    This is the best part.   We have had previous American presidents who were serious about getting to signatures on paper.  President Trump seriously wants to hammer out an arrangement that can work on the ground.

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  3. I am neither Jew nor Arab. Yet in all this, I have come to the conclusion the Palestinians have lost all credence in “negotiating”. They have repeatedly assaulted the innocents of Israel, killed wantonly, and helped the surrounding Arab and Egyptian forces attack Israel militarily. To me, they have lost all rights to a “land” of their own.

    Israel is hardly a perfect nation. It is, among other things, a theocracy with the mantle of democracy. Clearly Jews have “special rights” not afforded Arabs. Still, none of the surrounding nations – of Arabs (or even Egyptians) – offer “the opposition” such freedoms as representation in the government, human rights, etc.

    This attempt by Trump appears to be a good-faith try to resolve issues. IF it doesn’t work – and it won’t – the US should then acknowledge Israel’s borders to the West Bank and all the appropriate territory, and cut off ALL further “aid” to the kleptomaniac Palestinians. (?What exactly IS a “Palestinian”. There was no such designation historically, nor has there been a nation of Palestine since the Jews. The Arabs there are there by dint of conquest,) It is time for rational thought and behavior.

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  4. @devereaux, I take issue with your statement that Israel is a theocracy.  Britain is a theocracy: the head of the church is also the head of the  state.

    Nor do Jews have special rights.  There are Arabs holding positions in the Knesset as you acknowledge. . There is no prohibition against Arabs owning land.  Indeed I think theArabs have superior rights: they can go to the Temple Mount and Jews cannot.

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  5. Hypatia:
    @devereaux, I take issue with your statement that Israel is a theocracy.  Britain is a theocracy: the head of the church is also the head of the  state.

    Nor do Jews have special rights.  There are Arabs holding positions in the Knesset as you acknowledge. . There is no prohibition against Arabs owning land.  Indeed I think theArabs have superior rights: they can go to the Temple Mount and Jews cannot.

    Arabs have been held back from having real political power. Numerous laws are clearly preferential to Jews.

    But it really doesn’t matter. Looking at how Jews and Christians are treated in the rest of the Mideast nations makes Israel a bastion of liberty – for all. And many Israeli Arabs feel full-fledged citizens of Israel, including serving in the IDF.

    All this is in stark contrast to the “Palestinians”, who are grossly bigoted, barbaric, brutal, and overall don’t match up to standards that ought to allow them to mingle with civilized peoples. That most of those happen to be WestCiv peoples is probably not accidental – Christianity has been the greatest civilizing influence in history.

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  6. The only value of “peace plans” like this is demonstrating that nothing will be acceptable to the “Palestinians”—indeed, they have repeatedly rejected deals which were far more favourable than this one.  The only thing they’ll accept is complete dominance “from the river to the sea”, with the entire territory rendered Judenrein just as they have done in the lands previously ceded to them and has happened in other Islamic majority countries in the Near East.

    There will be, and can be, no peace with people committed to the extermination of their neighbours.  There is no solution to this problem which can be brokered by outsiders, apart from re-imposing imperial rule and keeping everybody in line out of fear of the big foot coming down.  But there is no power willing or able to do this and, frankly, the region is of such little strategic importance, there’s no motivation to do so.

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  7. John Walker:
    nothing will be acceptable to the “Palestinians”

    But, but,  they love it so much they are singing songs about it.

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Fatah-Anti-Deal-of-Century-song-We-will-trample-on-it-615825

    Fatah released a video-clip in which men with guns sing about how they will ‘trample on’ the US “Deal of the Century” and that “if talking will not help we will erase it with cannons,” Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) reported on Wednesday.

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  8. John Walker:
    The only value of “peace plans” like this is demonstrating that nothing will be acceptable to the “Palestinians”—indeed, they have repeatedly rejected deals which were far more favourable than this one.  The only thing they’ll accept is complete dominance “from the river to the sea”, with the entire territory rendered Judenrein just as they have done in the lands previously ceded to them and has happened in other Islamic majority countries in the Near East.

    There will be, and can be, no peace with people committed to the extermination of their neighbours.  There is no solution to this problem which can be brokered by outsiders, apart from re-imposing imperial rule and keeping everybody in line out of fear of the big foot coming down.  But there is no power willing or able to do this and, frankly, the region is of such little strategic importance, there’s no motivation to do so.

    Exactly.  So stop with this diplomacy garbage.
    If a move like this exposes the fact that powerful and wealthy Arab states no longer consider the Palestinians casus belli,  which it has— great!  There was nothing to lose and everything to gain by Trump’s gambit.
    And yes it’s true, this is the first time any “peace proposal” has ever included a map!  Fantastic!  The only thing missing is some kind of graphic showing how tiny Israel already is.  Up in the corner, put a little legend showing its size compared to New Jersey.

    That might make people think, really? That’s IT?   Then: why is the entire world so concerned with these contentious Arabs,  who, btw, aren’t welcome in any of the wealthy Arab/Muslim countries?

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  9. Hypatia:
    The only thing missing is some kind of graphic showing how tiny Israel already is.  Up in the corner, put a little legend showing its size compared to New Jersey.

    Here you go, courtesy of OverlapMaps.com.

    Israel compared to New Jersey, USA

    Because Israel is a long, skinny country and New Jersey is more like a peanut, it isn’t obvious how similar in area they are.  New Jersey is 22,591 km², while Israel is 22,072 km²: New Jersey is only 2.3% larger.  The estimated population of Israel in 2020 is 9.15 million, while that of New Jersey is 8.88 million (2019).

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  10. John Walker:

    Hypatia:
    The only thing missing is some kind of graphic showing how tiny Israel already is.  Up in the corner, put a little legend showing its size compared to New Jersey.

    Here you go, courtesy of OverlapMaps.com.

    Israel compared to New Jersey, USA

    Because Israel is a long, skinny country and New Jersey is more like a peanut, it isn’t obvious how similar in area they are.  New Jersey is 22,591 km², while Israel is 22,072 km²: New Jersey is only 2.3% larger.  The estimated population of Israel in 2020 is 9.15 million, while that of New Jersey is 8.88 million (2019).

    This is interesting but doesn’t really demonstrate the geographic issues that face Israel. THE single most important thing is that Israel has no strategic space. By this, if anyone is unfamiliar with the term, I mean Israel does not have the space to absorb a hit and still be viable. It is one reason the ‘67 War happened, and the ‘73 War demonstrated just how precarious Israel’s existence is. Syria had managed to defeat the defensive forces of the IDF on the Golan, The way to Tel Aviv was open and easily achievable, but for some inexplicable reason the Syrians stopped. It has been said they feared the “openness” of the road was an Israeli trap.  In ‘73 the Sinai helped Israel get time to shore up its damaged defenses and respond to the Egyptian invasion.  The Golan however, was a disaster. The IDF armor defense forces were thoroughly trashed, with no organized force remaining; forces had to be mobilized and then deployed. The IDF Air Force attempted to do its job but the Syrian anti-air was way better than it had been in the past, and most early attacks ended up with the jets shot down. Not a good day for the Jews.

    So. Unlike Stalin, who could retreat across vast stretches of wasteland while placing his manufacturing capabilities safely behind the Urals and preparing his counter, Israel has no such benefits and is totally “on the front lines” pretty much everywhere except perhaps the Negev.

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