Either there is a Conspiracy, or I am going crazy

There was a great video of a doctor in Kiryas Yoel (a Satmar Chasiddic community in NY) who said he had been dishing out hydroxychloroquine to literally hundreds of corona-sufferers (the Satmar community has been hammered by the virus). He gives it to anyone with symptoms, and occasionally as a prophylactic to people who are very high risk. He said NOT ONE had to be hospitalized or died. And now the video, which was here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h9UXkDaI5A , has been pulled by Youtube. WHY?

One key piece of information is whether we already have antibodies suggesting we have been exposed and now have a resistance/immunity. We all bewail the fact that somehow there are not enough tests. Except that they can be bought on the open market! https://www.raybiotech.com/covid-19-igm-igg-rapid-test-kit/ WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THIS? Surely it would help to reduce fear and change behavior if we could find out who is actually at risk?!

Nobody seems to want to SOLVE this problem. They just want to leverage it. I am becoming a conspiracy theorist.

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19 thoughts on “Either there is a Conspiracy, or I am going crazy”

  1. At times like these there is a lot of information. One needs to check things out and make sure things are credible.  Those with experience in these fields please give advice to those of us who don’t have that experience.

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  2. Nothing about this makes any sense.
    Did you see Dr. Birx today?  She said we’ve been wrong about the mode of transmission of the disease.  The models were based on human-to-human transmission but, if that were the means, we would have many more cases.

    What does that mean?  That the food supply was contaminated ? Maybe some currency?  I mean, this seemed huge and nobody paid any attention to it.
    Wouldn’t that mean that this ruinous economic shutdown was completely unnecessary?

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  3. I think – correct me if I am wrong – Dr. Birx also said today that now that we have so much more data from testing, they see that the early projections of how many people would contract the virus and how many would die were greatly skewed, like orders of magnitude skewed. There may end up being many many fewer cases than the worst case scenarios that political and media crackpots have been salivating over the last 2 weeks.

    Which is cause for optimism! and more leftward head exploding!

    iWe, thank you for this information of the Satmar community – are they in Borough Park, Brooklyn? My son has lived in Sunset Park, very close to there, and he heard there were many cases among a Jewish community in Borough Park.

    Very nice to see you here, too!

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  4. iWe:
    I am becoming a conspiracy theorist.

    Welcome!  Our group is growing daily.  That is, the so-called conspiracy ‘theorist’ group grows daily.  And wisely, of course, so does Ratburger.org.

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  5. Regarding the test referenced in the OP

    My understanding is that these tests are not for diagnosis of an active covid-19 infection, but rather to determine if one has had covid-19 in the past and recovered.    It tests for the antibodies that would be present in the blood of someone who had recovered from an infection.    That is my understanding.     And that it still needs to be approved by the FDA.
    These tests are still important to determine the actual extent of the epidemic.    That is the denominator in the ratio of the actual mortality rate.

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  6. Regarding the test referenced in the OP

    My understanding is that these tests are not for diagnosis of an active covid-19 infection, but rather to determine if one has had covid-19 in the past and recovered.

    Correct.

       It tests for the antibodies that would be present in the blood of someone who had recovered from an infection.

    Yes.

       That is my understanding.     And that it still needs to be approved by the FDA.

    No, it does not. The test works or it does not. Remember that most drugs prescriptions these days are for uses the FDA has never approved! The FDA is an impediment to medicine.

    These tests are still important to determine the actual extent of the epidemic.    That is the denominator in the ratio of the actual mortality rate.

    Absolutely. And personally, it tells me whether I can circulate more.

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  7. About a month ago… Actually at 03/02/20 1105, I visited my arthritis doctor.
    let me share his assessment…
    PsA:
    He is overall doing well. Has a little intermittent pain and stiffness.
    No synovitis

    Plan:
    1. Continue the enbrel
    2.Discussed Plaquenil, but he would like to hold off for now.

    Now the reason I said I would like to hold off from the Plaquenil was his recommend dose, two pills per day. I didn’t think I could remember to take them. Years back I had a heck of a time remembering to take TAPAZOLE, I was taking that in lieu of “nuking” my thyroid. Eventually my overactive thyroid settled down to the huge surprise of my doctor. I finally stopped them after about four years use.

    So I could have had, and maybe still could have Plaquenil as it can decrease the pain and swelling of arthritis. LINK

    Should I?

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  8. Dr. Birx also said today that the results coming in from the field are well below the model that had been predicting catastrophe, and that the numbers look like President Trump’s intent to roll back some of the economic restrictions is supported by the actuals.

    That plus good news regarding ventilators is making me relax quite a lot.

    But you have to be paying attention to hear the good news.  It is buried.

    Mass media is still in full fearmongering mode.   They are cheerleaders for an economic crash so bad that it won’t start to recover before November 3.

    That was something else Dr. Birx said.   She said that last night the thing she was looking at was the epidemiologists saying that the models are going to need a downward adjustment, but the thing she woke up to today was a round of stories on most of the mass media outlets that were talking about triage and doctors talking about deciding who will not receive treatment.  She chided the press, using very gentle terms, against fearmongering.

    I do not think we will see media fearmongering subside for a couple of months at least.

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  9. Gerard:
    Should I?

    I am not a doctor.   I do not take Plaquenil myself.

    However, Mr.TempTime has taken Plaquenil since 2010 as it was the only medication he could take for his arthritis (a particular type of rheumatoid arthritis) after his LAD blockage/heart attack in 2010.

    Because he takes Plaquenil, he must see an Ophthalmologist a couple times a year to examine his eyes to ensure the drug has not resulted in any damage to his eyes.

    So far, we no known negative impact on his eyes/vision related to this drug specifically.

    Please Note:   Although, I hope this is helpful information for you, please know I’m just sharing one person’s experience; please do not extrapolate information.   That said, it may give you some ideas about areas of questioning to put to your to Doctor.

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  10. Pencilvania:
    I think – correct me if I am wrong – Dr. Birx also said today that now that we have so much more data from testing, they see that the early projections of how many people would contract the virus and how many would die were greatly skewed, like orders of magnitude skewed. There may end up being many many fewer cases than the worst case scenarios that political and media crackpots have been salivating over the last 2 weeks.

    Dr. Birx explained that there are some inconsistencies in the data and how it’s been applied to the models. She mentioned that the original model that had resulted in some rather alarming predictions (2.2M deaths in the US and 0.5M in the UK) was revised downward to 20k for the UK: a factor of 25. If this same factor applied to the US model, it would reduce the projected deaths to below 100k – awful but not much worse than a bad seasonal flu year. With promising treatments, it would be even lower.

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  11. drlorentz:

    Pencilvania:
    I think – correct me if I am wrong – Dr. Birx also said today that now that we have so much more data from testing, they see that the early projections of how many people would contract the virus and how many would die were greatly skewed, like orders of magnitude skewed. There may end up being many many fewer cases than the worst case scenarios that political and media crackpots have been salivating over the last 2 weeks.

    Dr. Birx explained that there are some inconsistencies in the data and how it’s been applied to the models. She mentioned that the original model that had resulted in some rather alarming predictions (2.2M deaths in the US and 0.5M in the UK) was revised downward to 20k for the UK: a factor of 25. If this same factor applied to the US model, it would reduce the projected deaths to below 100k – awful but not much worse than a bad seasonal flu year. With promising treatments, it would be even lower.

    It is harder because this year I am aware of how many people are dying. It is sad how oblivious one can be because it happens to the other guy and not on TV.

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  12. I am to the point where I just want to get it and be done with it. I mean the only real cure to be exposed, go through the suck, and then be inoculated when it is over. I am confident I would be okay and then I wouldn’t have to worry about being exposed when out and about.

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  13. Robert A. McReynolds:
    I am to the point where I just want to get it and be done with it. I mean the only real cure to be exposed, go through the suck, and then be inoculated when it is over. I am confident I would be okay and then I wouldn’t have to worry about being exposed when out and about.

    That is fine for the young and healthy, but not so fine for the older or more vulnerable.   The whole point of the “lockdown” that is not really a lockdown is to slow the spread of this virus.   Hopefully I won’t get it until treatment has become standardized, medical bulletins distributed to the world of Big Healthcare, and the needed pharmaceuticals, equipment and materials are all readily available.

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  14. iWe:
    We all bewail the fact that somehow there are not enough tests. Except that they can be bought on the open market! https://www.raybiotech.com/covid-19-igm-igg-rapid-test-kit/ WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THIS?

    That test costs $250 and has zero reviews on its own site.

    Meanwhile, not all tests are created equal:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/china-supplied-faulty-coronavirus-test-kits-to-spain-czech-republic/

    I can’t see where the RayBioTech tests were made.  Not like it matters much.  If I ordered a test and got a positive result, I would still just wonder if the test was right.

    I agree that there shold be a control set of tests being done on asymptomatic people.  My guess (a reasonable assumption, If I do say so) is that this is ongoing, and not advertised, to forestall the “Your WaStInG PrEcIoUs tests!” hullabaloo.

    So, I suspect that the correct parts of your plan are already being carried out.

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  15. 10 Cents:

    drlorentz:

    Pencilvania:
    I think – correct me if I am wrong – Dr. Birx also said today that now that we have so much more data from testing, they see that the early projections of how many people would contract the virus and how many would die were greatly skewed, like orders of magnitude skewed. There may end up being many many fewer cases than the worst case scenarios that political and media crackpots have been salivating over the last 2 weeks.

    Dr. Birx explained that there are some inconsistencies in the data and how it’s been applied to the models. She mentioned that the original model that had resulted in some rather alarming predictions (2.2M deaths in the US and 0.5M in the UK) was revised downward to 20k for the UK: a factor of 25. If this same factor applied to the US model, it would reduce the projected deaths to below 100k – awful but not much worse than a bad seasonal flu year. With promising treatments, it would be even lower.

    It is harder because this year I am aware of how many people are dying. It is sad how oblivious one can be because it happens to the other guy and not on TV.

    The TV will also not show you all the suicides and homicides caused by the upcoming recession/depression. The TV will not be reporting on all those people who didn’t get their regular checkups, didn’t get diagnosed early with cancer or cardiovascular disease, and died because of it.

    That’s the trouble with relying on the corporate media, especially visual media like TV, to understand the world: they get to decide what you should care about. One crying child on TV equals ten thousand anonymous dead. They’ve learned Stalin’s lesson well: one death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic. Then again, the Stalinist tendencies of the media should come as no surprise to anyone here.

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