Wherever Two Or Three Are Gathered Together….

…arrests will be made.

IF (and I doubt it) there is going to be civil disobedience (h/t TKC:Looking Out My Office Window) to this lockdown which is becoming ever more draconian by the hour:

it has to be by church congregations.

Because there is no way it can be done by restaurant, bar, and mall patrons.  The commercial operators are cowed; they know the government could, even before this murrain, summarily have shuttered them for any infraction of a forest of obscure regulations. Restaurants  by now probably have no food on hand.  They can’t just re-open.  Soon there will be a shortage of potable alcohol as the industry shifts over to hand sanitizer.

Among professionals, and the host of other occupations which now can’t be practiced without a license from the state (everything from surgery to hair-braiding)  the revocation of their licenses can turn them instantly into criminals if they continue to practice.

Ministers  or preachers  are the only “profession” in my state which are not and cannot be required to obtain a license.  (Yes, Pa does regulate who can perform weddings, but that really doesn’t chafe since the couple can perform the ceremony themselves and no “officiant” is required.)  And furthermore the religious are the only “profession” which is not supposed to be making a profit,  and whose support does not depend on any service or good they are making and selling.  Anyone  can claim divine revelation and  consequently can speak out about it.
A preacher can be jailed, as just happened in Florida, for violating an emergency health edict by insisting on assembling a congregation.   A particular denomination could expel a rebellious preacher or priest, say, for performing same-sex weddings or for refusing to do so.   But preachers cannot be prohibited by the state from continuing to so style themselves,  and continuing to preach. Get that? Unlike with, say, a restaurant operator or hairdresser: while a particular locale could be shuttered , the credentials of the individual preacher cannot be revoked nor his speech enjoined.   The Constitution of our Commonwealth is ferocious on the topic:

“…no human authority can, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience..”   —Pa Constitution . Art 1, Sec 3., Freedom of Religion.

Contrary to the Gospel of the Left, religion in the US has been the impetus for all great movements for social change: abolition, temperance.  It is a radical, not a conservative,  agent—just as it was in first Century CE  Roman  society.

We need another “Great Awakening” .  I think this would make our third.  Mike Lindell (“The My Pillow guy!” made a start with his impromptu sermon at the Coronavirus briefing on Sunday.

HD  pointed out today (Clowns the the Left of Me..) that the Left is already planning to colonize the abandoned public square.

Take it back, America, in the name and sign of our dormant  race-memory of the Puritan separatists,  of our Deist architects!

Rise up, O Men of God! 

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78 thoughts on “Wherever Two Or Three Are Gathered Together….”

  1. Religion always has a revival in times of plague. It feeds the two needs of everyone – significance and certainty , for which all that is required is faith. It is in us at a very deep level and suppression is nearly impossible.

    Secularism provides none of that in exchange for obedience.

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  2. Is there any more damning evidence of the shallowness of the faith of the church in America than how every church closed at the snap of a governor’s fingers with barely a peep from anyone? In some nations, people will risk death just to get a copy of the Bible. In America, we won’t risk arrest or the possibility of illness to attend church, let alone death. We fear a virus more than we trust God, and we wonder why the church in America has zero cultural impact.

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  3. The Sinistral Bassist:
    Is there any more damning evidence of the shallowness of the faith of the church in America than how every church closed at the snap of a governor’s fingers with barely a peep from anyone? In some nations, people will risk death just to get a copy of the Bible. In America, we won’t risk arrest or the possibility of illness to attend church, let alone death. We fear a virus more than we trust God, and we wonder why the church in America has zero cultural impact.

    But America had pretty much stopped “going” to church, and even one of Billy Graham’s preacher daughters said it wasn’t  that big a deal.  Still, we always thought we could, if we ever felt like it, and lotsa people at least gave serious consideration to attendance at Christmas and Easter.
    The goal of civil disobedience, which is what I’m contemplating, is always to  force the government into repressive measures.  Let’s make the govt actually begin dispelling religious assemblies by force of arms, and see what happens.

    In 1830 the King of France made desecration of  the Host a capital crime.  Even though this law wasn’t something the populace was in danger of inadvertently transgressing, and probably never contemplated actually doing, it threatened France’s cherished ideal of laicité, and: Encore La Révolution!

    As you say: I don’t know whether we have religious,  or any other kind, of spirit sufficient for resistance.  I’m just saying, I think religious spirit is realistically the only force which is positioned to break the iron bars of state repression which have effectively shut down our formerly glorious commercial Utopia.

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  4. Hypatia:

    Wherever Two Or Three Are Gathered Together….
    …arrests will be made.   (snip)

    Not in Penn’s woods. Yesterday, nearly all day I was besieged by the racket of tree trimmers. You know how loud chani saws are from fifty feet in the air as well as the grinding machine that they put the branches in to grind them up. Now you explain to me how that is an essential service….

    Whatever, police, none in site, just who is supposed to enforce this lockdown?

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  5. Gerard:

    Hypatia:

    Wherever Two Or Three Are Gathered Together….
    …arrests will be made.   (snip)

    Not in Penn’s woods. Yesterday, nearly all day I was besieged by the racket of tree trimmers. You know how loud chani saws are from fifty feet in the air as well as the grinding machine that they put the branches in to grind them up. Now you explain to me how that is an essential service….

    Whatever, police, none in site, just who is supposed to enforce this lockdown?

    Maybe Agricultural?  Trash removal? I think those are both “essential”, but I don’t think Landscaping is.

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  6. The Sinistral Bassist:
    Is there any more damning evidence of the shallowness of the faith of the church in America than how every church closed at the snap of a governor’s fingers with barely a peep from anyone? In some nations, people will risk death just to get a copy of the Bible. In America, we won’t risk arrest or the possibility of illness to attend church, let alone death. We fear a virus more than we trust God, and we wonder why the church in America has zero cultural impact.

    I know churches in Japan made their own decisions on whether to have services or not. Japanese Christians are generally older so in the higher risk group.

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  7. Damocles:

    Hypatia:
    in the name and sign of our dormant  race-memory of the Puritan separatists,  of our Deist architects

    Can you clarify what you mean by this?

    Um…what part of it don’t you understand?  “dormant”? “Memory”?  The seminal importance of Separatism and Deism in our country’s origins? Or do you not hear the echo of hymnology in “name and sign”?
    (Don’t bother answering, because I don’t care what you don’t get.  He that hath ears to hear, etc…)

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  8. This has been on my mind since the beginning of the closures. Ever since then, when I go out on an errand I often stop afterwards at my Catholic church, which has a lovely wide expanse of grass and sidewalks in front. It sits on the rounded corner of a fairly well traveled street in our small town. I stand in front facing the church and pray there for a while. Not ostentatiously, but anyone driving or walking by should be able to tell what I’m doing. It’s occurred to me that on Easter morning it would harm no one if people came, stood 10 or 15 feet apart out in front of the church and prayed silently. People could just come & go as they please, and anyone driving by would see, as I hope some driving by me see, that faith is alive and can be expressed at a distance too.

    What’s sad is, I’m afraid to suggest it on social media – I might get officially shut down, and i’d most certainly at least get lectured by the many nags that are in my town. And if I ask the clergy I fear they would nix the idea and that would be the worst of all.

    I may call a few friends and ask if they will join me, at a distance, but I don’t want to put anything in writing.  I do think it’s time to take prayer outside.

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  9. Pencilvania:
    This has been on my mind since the beginning of the closures. Ever since then, when I go out on an errand I often stop afterwards at my Catholic church, which has a lovely wide expanse of grass and sidewalks in front. It sits on the rounded corner of a fairly well traveled street in our small town. I stand in front facing the church and pray there for a while. Not ostentatiously, but anyone driving or walking by should be able to tell what I’m doing. It’s occurred to me that on Easter morning it would harm no one if people came, stood 10 or 15 feet apart out in front of the church and prayed silently. People could just come & go as they please, and anyone driving by would see, as I hope some driving by me see, that faith is alive and can be expressed at a distance too.

    What’s sad is, I’m afraid to suggest it on social media – I might get officially shut down, and i’d most certainly at least get lectured by the many nags that are in my town. And if I ask the clergy I fear they would nix the idea and that would be the worst of all.

    I may call a few friends and ask if they will join me, at a distance, but I don’t want to put anything in writing.  I do think it’s time to take prayer outside.

    What a beautiful idea!

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  10. Hypatia:

    Damocles:

    Hypatia:
    in the name and sign of our dormant  race-memory of the Puritan separatists,  of our Deist architects

    Can you clarify what you mean by this?

    Um…what part of it don’t you understand?  “dormant”? “Memory”?  The seminal importance of Separatism and Deism in our country’s origins? Or do you not hear the echo of hymnology in “name and sign”?
    (Don’t bother answering, because I don’t care what you don’t get.  He that hath ears to hear, etc…)

    I don’t understand what you mean by “dormant race-memory”, and there’s no Google matches for the term. And can you clarify what race you’re talking about?

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  11. Pencilvania:
    it would harm no one if people came, stood 10 or 15 feet apart out in front of the church and prayed silently.

    It’s a nice idea, but I don’t think it’s practical to expect more than 2-3 people to maintain that distance.

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  12. Damocles:

    Pencilvania:
    it would harm no one if people came, stood 10 or 15 feet apart out in front of the church and prayed silently.

    It’s a nice idea, but I don’t think it’s practical to expect more than 2-3 people to maintain that distance.

    You must be a Protestant.

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  13. 10 Cents:

    Damocles:

    Pencilvania:
    it would harm no one if people came, stood 10 or 15 feet apart out in front of the church and prayed silently.

    It’s a nice idea, but I don’t think it’s practical to expect more than 2-3 people to maintain that distance.

    You must be a Protestant.

    I think I’m a Fundamentalist, but I’ve never really understood the difference.  It might be the same, except without the fancy man-made folderol of the Protestants.

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  14. Damocles:

    Hypatia:

    Damocles:

    Hypatia:
    in the name and sign of our dormant  race-memory of the Puritan separatists,  of our Deist architects

    Can you clarify what you mean by this?

    Um…what part of it don’t you understand?  “dormant”? “Memory”?  The seminal importance of Separatism and Deism in our country’s origins? Or do you not hear the echo of hymnology in “name and sign”?
    (Don’t bother answering, because I don’t care what you don’t get.  He that hath ears to hear, etc…)

    I don’t understand what you mean by “dormant race-memory”, and there’s no Google matches for the term. And can you clarify what race you’re talking about?

    😂😂😂😂—no.  See 8 above.   But  I do beg your pardon for using a phrase Google never came up with ( although it makes me proud, too.)

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  15. Pencilvania:
    This has been on my mind since the beginning of the closures. Ever since then, when I go out on an errand I often stop afterwards at my Catholic church, which has a lovely wide expanse of grass and sidewalks in front. It sits on the rounded corner of a fairly well traveled street in our small town. I stand in front facing the church and pray there for a while. Not ostentatiously, but anyone driving or walking by should be able to tell what I’m doing. It’s occurred to me that on Easter morning it would harm no one if people came, stood 10 or 15 feet apart out in front of the church and prayed silently. People could just come & go as they please, and anyone driving by would see, as I hope some driving by me see, that faith is alive and can be expressed at a distance too.

    What’s sad is, I’m afraid to suggest it on social media – I might get officially shut down, and i’d most certainly at least get lectured by the many nags that are in my town. And if I ask the clergy I fear they would nix the idea and that would be the worst of all.

    I may call a few friends and ask if they will join me, at a distance, but I don’t want to put anything in writing.  I do think it’s time to take prayer outside.

    That’s the insanity of this. Under the order passed in VA, we would not be able to even stand apart outside and have a service because it’s not exercise. It’s one thing for a church to decide on its own to close after praying and making a decision. It’s another to be ordered closed, especially for Easter, with no say or opposition. Ironic considering what happened to Pharaoh when he told the Israelites they could only worship in the way he chose.

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  16. Pencilvania:
    This has been on my mind since the beginning of the closures. Ever since then, when I go out on an errand I often stop afterwards at my Catholic church, which has a lovely wide expanse of grass and sidewalks in front. It sits on the rounded corner of a fairly well traveled street in our small town. I stand in front facing the church and pray there for a while. Not ostentatiously, but anyone driving or walking by should be able to tell what I’m doing. It’s occurred to me that on Easter morning it would harm no one if people came, stood 10 or 15 feet apart out in front of the church and prayed silently. People could just come & go as they please, and anyone driving by would see, as I hope some driving by me see, that faith is alive and can be expressed at a distance too.

    What’s sad is, I’m afraid to suggest it on social media – I might get officially shut down, and i’d most certainly at least get lectured by the many nags that are in my town. And if I ask the clergy I fear they would nix the idea and that would be the worst of all.

    I may call a few friends and ask if they will join me, at a distance, but I don’t want to put anything in writing.  I do think it’s time to take prayer outside.

    I’ve heard Drive-in movies theatres are being un-mothballed, so I’m sure some of the mega-churches will get the idea soon.

    (Personally, I think the “blessed company of all  faithful people” had become  a tad too, ah, intime, with people going into long  full-body clinches, blissfully sighing , and stepping all over their pew-mates to get to some other person upon whom to bestow the Kiss ofPeace.  But that’s just me.)

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  17. The Sinistral Bassist:

    That’s the insanity of this. Under the order passed in VA, we would not be able to even stand apart outside and have a service because it’s not exercise.

    I had thought, if that’s the case here, we could just process around the building – it’s exercise, officer! – and processing is a traditional part of many Holy Week services.

    Maybe that’s what I should call it: Exercise Around Your Church on Easter Sunday Morning.

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  18. Hypatia:

    Damocles:

    Hypatia:

    Damocles:

    Hypatia:
    in the name and sign of our dormant  race-memory of the Puritan separatists,  of our Deist architects

    Can you clarify what you mean by this?

    Um…what part of it don’t you understand?  “dormant”? “Memory”?  The seminal importance of Separatism and Deism in our country’s origins? Or do you not hear the echo of hymnology in “name and sign”?
    (Don’t bother answering, because I don’t care what you don’t get.  He that hath ears to hear, etc…)

    I don’t understand what you mean by “dormant race-memory”, and there’s no Google matches for the term. And can you clarify what race you’re talking about?

    😂😂😂😂—no.  See 8 above.   But  I do beg your pardon for using a phrase Google never came up with ( although it makes me proud, too.)

    OK, then we’ll go with the apparent meaning of “white race”.  It’s obvious you were trying to back away from that when you skipped “race” in your question

    what part of it don’t you understand?  “dormant”? “Memory”?

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  19. Hypatia:

    Damocles:

    Hypatia:

    Damocles:

    Hypatia:
    in the name and sign of our dormant  race-memory of the Puritan separatists,  of our Deist architects

    Can you clarify what you mean by this?

    Um…what part of it don’t you understand?  “dormant”? “Memory”?  The seminal importance of Separatism and Deism in our country’s origins? Or do you not hear the echo of hymnology in “name and sign”?
    (Don’t bother answering, because I don’t care what you don’t get.  He that hath ears to hear, etc…)

    I don’t understand what you mean by “dormant race-memory”, and there’s no Google matches for the term. And can you clarify what race you’re talking about?

    😂😂😂😂—no.  See 8 above.   But  I do beg your pardon for using a phrase Google never came up with ( although it makes me proud, too.)

    “Proverbs 16:18 (ESV): Pride goes before destruction,
    and a haughty spirit before a fall. ”

    If anyone has ears to hear let …

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  20. Damocles:

    Hypatia:

    Damocles:

    Hypatia:

    Damocles:

    Hypatia:
    in the name and sign of our dormant  race-memory of the Puritan separatists,  of our Deist architects

    Can you clarify what you mean by this?

    Um…what part of it don’t you understand?  “dormant”? “Memory”?  The seminal importance of Separatism and Deism in our country’s origins? Or do you not hear the echo of hymnology in “name and sign”?
    (Don’t bother answering, because I don’t care what you don’t get.  He that hath ears to hear, etc…)

    I don’t understand what you mean by “dormant race-memory”, and there’s no Google matches for the term. And can you clarify what race you’re talking about?

    😂😂😂😂—no.  See 8 above.   But  I do beg your pardon for using a phrase Google never came up with ( although it makes me proud, too.)

    OK, then we’ll go with the apparent meaning of “white race”.  It’s obvious you were trying to back away from that when you skipped “race” in your question

    oh, “we’ ll” go with that?  Who’s “we”? I doubt there are many Rattys so clueless.  Hmmm,  so: you’re one; I can think of one more, I’m sorry to say…I just need to come up with a third to make up the Three Blind Mice.   I guess you didn’t get what I said on your  most recent (blatantly racist) thread: de midget (see, dats’s you!) ain’t gonna win this fight. Now stop trolling me, or I’ll …I dunno, maybe cut off your tail with a carving knife.

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  21. Damocles:

    10 Cents:

    Damocles:

    Pencilvania:
    it would harm no one if people came, stood 10 or 15 feet apart out in front of the church and prayed silently.

    It’s a nice idea, but I don’t think it’s practical to expect more than 2-3 people to maintain that distance.

    You must be a Protestant.

    I think I’m a Fundamentalist, but I’ve never really understood the difference.  It might be the same, except without the fancy man-made folderol of the Protestants.

    The difference is that one actually partakes in the Communion with the body and blood of Christ while all the rest just have grape juice. 😉

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  22. This is merely what our ham-handed, meat-fisted government does best: maximum coercion with minimum reason or competence. Unless, of course, they are planning to finance the new debt with revenue from fines for gathering in low-density religious observances (without masks, of course, since the CDC still insists those are only effective if the wearer is licensed by the state as a health care worker) (is there an exception for worship in full PPE regalia?). I’d love to hear the oral arguments on that Supreme Court case.

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  23. Pencilvania:

    The Sinistral Bassist:

    That’s the insanity of this. Under the order passed in VA, we would not be able to even stand apart outside and have a service because it’s not exercise.

    I had thought, if that’s the case here, we could just process around the building – it’s exercise, officer! – and processing is a traditional part of many Holy Week services.

    Maybe that’s what I should call it: Exercise Around Your Church on Easter Sunday Morning.

    TWO! FOUR! SIX! EIGHT!

    TIME TO TRANSUBSTANTIATE! 😜

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  24. civil westman:
    This is merely what our ham-handed, meat-fisted government does best: maximum coercion with minimum reason or competence. Unless, of course, they are planning to finance the new debt with revenue from fines for gathering in low-density religious observances (without masks, of course, since the CDC still insists those are only effective if the wearer is licensed by the state as a health care worker) (is there an exception for worship in full PPE regalia?). I’d love to hear the oral arguments on that Supreme Court case.

    Love that—didja see the video,of the first mass held in Norte Dame after the fire, priests and celebrants clothéd in white hard hats?

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