The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now says the coronavirus “does not spread easily” through touching surfaces or objects

Can we stop being required to wear a freaking mask when going to the store then. This is ridiculous. I only wear a mask when I HAVE TO. That means as soon as I step into the store until I step out of the door. I also resent having to wear it the entire time, because I KNEW, that it is a pointless gesture that has nothing to do with preventing the spread of the virus.

At least this can shut the uptight busybody Karen’s up. You know those ladies who have appointed themselves the Mask Police on Next Door.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-coronavirus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces/

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46 thoughts on “The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now says the coronavirus “does not spread easily” through touching surfaces or objects”

  1. 10 Cents:
    From the article,

    Specifically, it mainly spreads between people who are in close contact, within 6 feet of each other, when someone with the infection coughs, sneezes or talks, causing droplets to land in another person’s mouth or nose.

    Isn’t this what the masks are there to prevent?

    I am coming from a mask wearing country so I don’t see the burden of wearing one. I didn’t wear one for the longest time but I recognized that other person wearing one was being kind to those around them. It would be a hard sell to tell someone here that masks don’t work.

    Well, that’s your  culture.  We are not  a mask wearing country.  I can’t fill my big American lungs with a coupla layers of paper or fabric over my nose and mouth, and I don’t like it.  I don’t mind if the Japanese like to scuttle around swaddled tOh the eyes.  Live and let live.  But let ME live free. #freesistance!

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  2. Hypatia:

    10 Cents:
    From the article,

    Specifically, it mainly spreads between people who are in close contact, within 6 feet of each other, when someone with the infection coughs, sneezes or talks, causing droplets to land in another person’s mouth or nose.

    Isn’t this what the masks are there to prevent?

    I am coming from a mask wearing country so I don’t see the burden of wearing one. I didn’t wear one for the longest time but I recognized that other person wearing one was being kind to those around them. It would be a hard sell to tell someone here that masks don’t work.

    Well, that’s your  culture.  We are not  a mask wearing country.  I can’t fill my big American lungs with a coupla layers of paper or fabric over my nose and mouth, and I don’t like it.  I don’t mind if the Japanese like to scuttle around swaddled tOh the eyes.  Live and let live.  But let ME live free. #freesistance!

    YOU TELL `EM…

    Next thing you know, some smart aleck will determine that there are trace amounts of asbestos used in the manufacture  of some, (unnamed brand), of masks made in China.

    On second thought, that would be a GREAT rumor to start and then nobody will want to wear them!

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  3. MJBubba:

    The Sinistral Bassist:
    The better the numbers are, the more restrictions they impose to keep the hysteria going. This is about control and keeping the economy wrecked until November

    Agreed.

    They are the Anti-American Party.

    Wait a second, this is to some extent a bi-partisan thing since the governor of Ohio is a Republican and he was going nuts with the lockdown in the initial days. Maybe he has eased up, but he was certainly blowing hot air in early April. And then there is my current governor, Gov. Hogan, who left it up to county executives (all but two are Democrats) to open up. How cowardly!! Nobody is innocent in this stuff.

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  4. Hypatia:

    10 Cents:
    From the article,

    Specifically, it mainly spreads between people who are in close contact, within 6 feet of each other, when someone with the infection coughs, sneezes or talks, causing droplets to land in another person’s mouth or nose.

    Isn’t this what the masks are there to prevent?

    I am coming from a mask wearing country so I don’t see the burden of wearing one. I didn’t wear one for the longest time but I recognized that other person wearing one was being kind to those around them. It would be a hard sell to tell someone here that masks don’t work.

    Well, that’s your  culture.  We are not  a mask wearing country.  I can’t fill my big American lungs with a coupla layers of paper or fabric over my nose and mouth, and I don’t like it.  I don’t mind if the Japanese like to scuttle around swaddled tOh the eyes.  Live and let live.  But let ME live free. #freesistance!

    I think you do mind therefore you responded this way. I

    Hypatia:

    10 Cents:
    From the article,

    Specifically, it mainly spreads between people who are in close contact, within 6 feet of each other, when someone with the infection coughs, sneezes or talks, causing droplets to land in another person’s mouth or nose.

    Isn’t this what the masks are there to prevent?

    I am coming from a mask wearing country so I don’t see the burden of wearing one. I didn’t wear one for the longest time but I recognized that other person wearing one was being kind to those around them. It would be a hard sell to tell someone here that masks don’t work.

    Well, that’s your  culture.  We are not  a mask wearing country.  I can’t fill my big American lungs with a coupla layers of paper or fabric over my nose and mouth, and I don’t like it.  I don’t mind if the Japanese like to scuttle around swaddled tOh the eyes.  Live and let live.  But let ME live free. #freesistance!

    I often don’t write the obvious because I figure people know that. I don’t know why you felt the need to write this.

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  5. drlorentz:

    civil westman:
    Spread by contact with objects is entirely different from droplet/aerosol spread. Masks reduce the likelihood of person to person infection via droplet/aerosol. This is really no more than common sense mechanics and more and more studies bear this out. Now, is it possible that a cough or sneeze can deposit viable virus on an object which, if touched by another person in a short period of time, can spread infection? Yes, it can. All they are saying here is that is unlikely. It is a separate issue from masks.

    Understood. Nevertheless, it remains that we have been told a bunch of mutually contradictory things over these few months, which is why the authorities have lost all credibility.

    Regarding the efficacy of masks and physical distancing, the evidence for these measures is based on (a) intuition (“common sense”) and (b) tests in artificial/laboratory settings. As for (a), that’s not science and (b) is only the beginning of hypothesis testing. The absurd notion that 6 ft separation is okay, but 5 ft is not, is enshrined in policy. Nothing in the real world works that way.

    I have never heard of a physical distancing with any other disease. It would be hard to study. Masks have been around a long time so that body of knowledge is known. Aren’t there good reasons for masks in hospitals?

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  6. Right now, still in the early stages of the pandemic, with rapid spread of a highly-contagious disease, it is just good manners to wear a face mask in public.

    It is especially important around older people or people with any of the risk factors.  Don’t you want people to be able to relax around you?

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  7. MJBubba:
    Right now, still in the early stages of the pandemic, with rapid spread of a highly-contagious disease, it is just good manners to wear a face mask in public.

    Nonsense. We are not in the early stages. Most locations have already peaked in cases and in deaths. That’s what a sane person would call “late stage.” Meanwhile, Karens are still running rampant. But there’s hope because people increasingly are getting tired being bossed around by petty tyrants imposing their vision of safety and proper behavior.

    MJBubba:
    It is especially important around older people or people with any of the risk factors.  Don’t you want people to be able to relax around you?

    I agree it is important to protect vulnerable individuals but they also have a responsibility to protect themselves. People who are at serious risk should wear masks, gloves, and face shields on the rare occasions they venture out. Mostly, they should remain home because that’s safer than being out among the masses.

    As for people being able to relax around me, it’s not my responsibility to make everyone feel safe. And, frankly, I’m okay making Karens nervous. That way, maybe they’ll stay away, preferably hiding under their beds until the mean virus goes away.

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  8. drlorentz:

    MJBubba:
    Right now, still in the early stages of the pandemic, with rapid spread of a highly-contagious disease, it is just good manners to wear a face mask in public.

    Nonsense. We are not in the early stages. Most locations have already peaked in cases and in deaths. That’s what a sane person would call “late stage.” Meanwhile, Karens are still running rampant. But there’s hope because people increasingly are getting tired being bossed around by petty tyrants imposing their vision of safety and proper behavior.

    MJBubba:
    It is especially important around older people or people with any of the risk factors.  Don’t you want people to be able to relax around you?

    I agree it is important to protect vulnerable individuals but they also have a responsibility to protect themselves. People who are at serious risk should wear masks, gloves, and face shields on the rare occasions they venture out. Mostly, they should remain home because that’s safer than being out among the masses.

    As for people being able to relax around me, it’s not my responsibility to make everyone feel safe. And, frankly, I’m okay making Karens nervous. That way, maybe they’ll stay away, preferably hiding under their beds until the mean virus goes away.

    We are in the middle so it is hard to tell where we are. As long as there is no second or third wave I would say we are at toward the end of a first wave. We know more and hopefully if a second wave happens people won’t panic as much.

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  9. I hate the one size fits all thinking of the left. “If one person gets infected the whole planet needs to shut down.” “If one person might get offended by the nuance of a word we need to throw out the word.” “A turtle it hurt by plastic straws therefore we must ban them.” You have the right to choose but there is only one option unless you are a racist, bigot, grandma killer, or all of the above.

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  10. 10 Cents:
    I hate the one size fits all thinking of the left. “If one person gets infected the whole planet needs to shut down.” “If one person might get offended by the nuance of a word we need to throw out the word.” “A turtle it hurt by plastic straws therefore we must ban them.” You have the right to choose but there is only one option unless you are a racist, bigot, grandma killer, or all of the above.

    It’s not just people on the left, brother.

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  11. drlorentz:

    MJBubba:
    Right now, still in the early stages of the pandemic, with rapid spread of a highly-contagious disease, it is just good manners to wear a face mask in public.

    Nonsense. We are not in the early stages. Most locations have already peaked in cases and in deaths. That’s what a sane person would call “late stage.”

    We peaked while in massive lockdown mode.  When ordinary life returns to normal, the virus will begin to spread.  After the second peak, then we will be in the middle stage of the pandemic.  We did a tremendous job of flattening the curve.  With suitable precautions, we can flatten the second peak also.  “Suitable” includes masks.

    Meanwhile, Karens are still running rampant. But there’s hope because people increasingly are getting tired being bossed around by petty tyrants imposing their vision of safety and proper behavior.

    Good.  With widely available cleaning supplies, and widely available gear such as masks and gloves, then people can take control of their own level of exposure.  We no longer need to impose massively intrusive social distancing rules.

    MJBubba:
    It is especially important around older people or people with any of the risk factors.  Don’t you want people to be able to relax around you?

    I agree it is important to protect vulnerable individuals but they also have a responsibility to protect themselves. People who are at serious risk should wear masks, gloves, and face shields on the rare occasions they venture out. Mostly, they should remain home because that’s safer than being out among the masses.

    As for people being able to relax around me, it’s not my responsibility to make everyone feel safe. And, frankly, I’m okay making Karens nervous. That way, maybe they’ll stay away, preferably hiding under their beds until the mean virus goes away.

    You are free to be as prickly as you wanna be.

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  12. drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    I hate the one size fits all thinking of the left. “If one person gets infected the whole planet needs to shut down.” “If one person might get offended by the nuance of a word we need to throw out the word.” “A turtle it hurt by plastic straws therefore we must ban them.” You have the right to choose but there is only one option unless you are a racist, bigot, grandma killer, or all of the above.

    It’s not just people on the left, brother.

    Yes, Micael Jordan played basketball and I did too. He could never play at my level.

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  13. Herd immunity is the only ultimate solution.  At the same time the virus will be weakening.  They always do.  It happened with HIV.   And we’re just delaying that with all this lockdown stuff.  As for masks, your breath doesn’t stay in them, it comes out around the sides.  It’s no better than a handkerchief.  Or Than sneezing/ coughing into your elbow.  They just want us to wear them so we are constantly reminded that we’re on the road to serfdom.    Social credit system, here we come.  It is intolerable and I’m coming around to the view that only some violent resistance can break the trend.  And then,  maybe the country will regionalize, like in Schlicter’s book. We cannot live with these lying, ignorant,  officious Leftists.

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  14. Herd immunity is the only ultimate solution.”

    With respect, I am not part of a “herd”.  I am a human being, part of a “population”.  Population immunity would be a good thing.  Fortunately, we have the real-world example of the Diamond Princess cruise ship, where everyone was exposed to the virus and 80% did NOT get infected.  Since most of the 20% who did get infected had no or only minor symptoms, it looks like we started this whole Scam with an already high level of Population Immunity.

    I understand why our Betters talk about “herd immunity”, because to them we (you & me) are no more than a herd of unthinking cattle, waiting for their direction.  What I do not understand is why so many people are willing to demean themselves by adopting the self-insulting “herd immunity” nomenclature.

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  15. 10 Cents:
    H/T Ed K

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/did-japan-just-beat-the-virus-without-lockdowns-or-mass-testing

    From the article:

    Experts are also credited with creating an easy-to-understand message of avoiding what are called the “Three C’s” — closed spaces, crowded spaces and close-contact settings — rather than keeping away from others entirely.

    “Social distancing may work, but it doesn’t really help to continue normal social life,” said Hokkaido University’s Suzuki. “The ‘Three C’s’ are a much more pragmatic approach and very effective, while having a similar effect.”

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  16. MJBubba:
    We peaked while in massive lockdown mode.  When ordinary life returns to normal, the virus will begin to spread.  After the second peak, then we will be in the middle stage of the pandemic.  We did a tremendous job of flattening the curve.  With suitable precautions, we can flatten the second peak also.  “Suitable” includes masks.

    There is absolutely no way to know if we flattened anything because there has never been widespread enough testing to know what the actual curve looked like. For all we know it was already on the decline before we did anything, and lockdowns caused another spike. As multiple states are finding cases back in Dec-Jan through antibody testing (which they kept denying was possible that early), we may already be in the second wave. Masks for healthy people, just like quarantines for healthy people, are panic theater to keep the hysteria going. This isn’t about public health; it’s about control. The virus curve is consistent across every country regardless of the measures they took. You have been fed a lie and given up your rights for a false promise of security. Stop buying into the con.

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  17. And just to reinforce what a complete fraud the whole mask thing is, the governor of Virginia was out at Virginia Beach today taking photos with people, no mask, no social distancing. All of their guidelines are a hoax. They don’t even believe they do anything themselves.

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  18. The Sinistral Bassist:
    And just to reinforce what a complete fraud the whole mask thing is, the governor of Virginia was out at Virginia Beach today taking photos with people, no mask, no social distancing. All of their guidelines are a hoax. They don’t even believe they do anything themselves.

    “Do as I say, not as I do.” This may as well be their motto (cf. Neil Ferguson).

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  19. drlorentz:

    The Sinistral Bassist:
    And just to reinforce what a complete fraud the whole mask thing is, the governor of Virginia was out at Virginia Beach today taking photos with people, no mask, no social distancing. All of their guidelines are a hoax. They don’t even believe they do anything themselves.

    “Do as I say, not as I do.” This may as well be their motto (cf. Neil Ferguson).

    And to think the first governor of Virginia was Patrick Henry. Sad.

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  20. 10 Cents:

    drlorentz:

    The Sinistral Bassist:
    And just to reinforce what a complete fraud the whole mask thing is, the governor of Virginia was out at Virginia Beach today taking photos with people, no mask, no social distancing. All of their guidelines are a hoax. They don’t even believe they do anything themselves.

    “Do as I say, not as I do.” This may as well be their motto (cf. Neil Ferguson).

    And to think the first governor of Virginia was Patrick Henry. Sad.

    Northam is by far the worst governor in the history of the state. Completely incompetent. Democrats only keep him around because he’s a pliant tool, but it’s obvious from his press conferences that he isn’t calling the shots. His cabinet is running the commonwealth

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