27 thoughts on “Karyln Goes to a Trump Rally”

  1. Check spelling:  Dr. <B>Karlyn</B> Borysenko. The lady may be something of a fruitcake, but she has embraced her considerable intelligence and ended being eaten by the Left.  The Great Enemy of Democrat-Socialism is a decent public school system, now unknown in the United States – replaced by <I>1984</I>’s “two minutes hate.”

    “The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but, on the contrary, that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretense was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge-hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one’s will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic” aka, Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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  2. I like Karlyn. I’ve checked out a few of their videos. But like so many of the “walk away” folks. She’s probably more of a non conformist than anything. I’ve noticed this type when I started reading Camille Pagila. Camille is a liberal but a non conformist. She is incapable of conforming totally to her ideology and maintains a foot in both camps.  The issue I have with this type is they go just far enough to get wet and might even get pounded by a wave or two and because of the mild pounding they get they feel put upon and oppressed. Then they whine and complain about how the left is shutting them down and blah blah. Meanwhile you have other folks like Gavin or Milo who have been tossed off the reservation never to be seen again. People get thrown in jail or have their funding cut off. So when milk toast lefties like Dave Rubin bitch about being oppressed he should note the people who have actually been tossed out into the trash heap; some are folks he has interviewed.  But he won’t because he doesn’t want to suffer their fate. Like so many of the Bernie bro’s in the walk away movement who basically say
    “hey I’m conservative but not THAT conservative. “ whatever that means

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  3. Mate De:
    So when milk toast lefties like Dave Rubin bitch about being oppressed he should note the people who have actually been tossed out into the trash heap; some are folks he has interviewed.  But he won’t because he doesn’t want to suffer their fate.

    I’m not as hard on Dave Rubin as you are. He and Dr. Borysenko have taken some lumps but I don’t see them as whiny. When the Walk Away movement got going, I watched quite a few of their video testimonials. Some people suffered relatively minor consequences while others had some real problems. They all have in common a willingness to step out of their comfort zone and take some risks. As a result, they’ve emboldened others to do the same. This is a genuine service.

    Everyone has a different risk tolerance. If we’re being honest here, let’s note that most people post here pseudonymously. Why is that? I can’t answer for anyone else but my reason is that I like my quiet life and don’t need a bunch of lefty rage-heads at my doorstep. Pretty weak sauce. It’s not like I fear getting fired from my job. We can all participate in the political circus in different ways and at varying risk levels.

    As for Paglia, those are probably her sincerely-held beliefs. I don’t see her as pulling her punches at all or as conforming to fit in. She’s got some interesting ideas. I always have something new to think about after reading her work or listening to her interviews. She’s an original thinker.

    Finally, I’m not sure Milo and Gavin are taking the correct approach. Obviously, I don’t think they should be de-platformed but it’s not clear they are a net plus. If you favor bomb-throwers, I think Michelle Malkin does it better. These are tricky waters to navigate and I gotta admit to not being sure which way works best. There are also people with large followings who remain anonymous but who have substantial reach, for example Zman. I happen to know at least one other person here is also a fan. All these folks have a role to play and they’re all pushing in the same direction.

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  4. drlorentz:
    All these folks have a role to play and they’re all pushing in the same direction.

    I am on board with this sentiment.  Those who are not against us are helping the cause.  However much we may wish that some were less clumsy or less strident, or wish that some would do more or speak more, we need to support whatever allies we happen to have.

    The struggle is desperate and our situation is precarious.

    We need all hands pushing hard.

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  5. drlorentz:
    drlorentzsays: #9 2020-05-25 at 06:29 UTC  [Quote] Mate De: So when milk toast lefties like Dave Rubin bitch about being oppressed he should note the people who have actually been tossed out into the trash heap; some are folks he has interviewed.  But he won’t because he doesn’t want to suffer their fate.

    I’m not as hard on Dave Rubin as you are. He and Dr. Borysenko have taken some lumps but I don’t see them as whiny.

    Why do you want people to suffer so Mate De? Aren’t there enough martyrs to political correctness?

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  6. Henry Castaigne:

    drlorentz:
    drlorentzsays: #9 2020-05-25 at 06:29 UTC  [Quote] Mate De: So when milk toast lefties like Dave Rubin bitch about being oppressed he should note the people who have actually been tossed out into the trash heap; some are folks he has interviewed.  But he won’t because he doesn’t want to suffer their fate.

    I’m not as hard on Dave Rubin as you are. He and Dr. Borysenko have taken some lumps but I don’t see them as whiny.

    Why do you want people to suffer so Mate De? Aren’t there enough martyrs to political correctness?

    I don’t want people to suffer. I want everyone to be free. However, as St Augustine describes freedom is also a function of one’s moral state “A Man has as many masters as he has vices”. Which, as society, we are wallowing in vices. Myself included.

    But even those who are political commentators, or those who have chosen to speak out on the political right, will still self censor. There are still ideas, issues and people that should be talked to and about, that aren’t. So if you are going to call yourself a Free Speech absolutist and will still self censor then you aren’t an absolutist. I get these guys don’t want to get into stuff because of the headache they will get from our tech over lords. That just shows tactic worked, cause that was the point of the tactic, to get people to stop talking about certain things.

    I just see so much stuff being shoved under the carpet and after a while the lump gets bigger and bigger and harder to ignore. Also so much of this stuff wasn’t even controversial 2 years ago. It’s amazing how fast some subjects become off limits, just because a few people don’t want to hear them.

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  7. Henry Castaigne:

    drlorentz:
    drlorentzsays: #9 2020-05-25 at 06:29 UTC  [Quote] Mate De: So when milk toast lefties like Dave Rubin bitch about being oppressed he should note the people who have actually been tossed out into the trash heap; some are folks he has interviewed.  But he won’t because he doesn’t want to suffer their fate.

    I’m not as hard on Dave Rubin as you are. He and Dr. Borysenko have taken some lumps but I don’t see them as whiny.

    Why do you want people to suffer so Mate De? Aren’t there enough martyrs to political correctness?

    For the love of sweet Jesus, please learn how to quote a comment correctly, @henrycastaigne.

    That is all.

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  8. Mate De:
    So when milk toast lefties like Dave Rubin bitch about being oppressed he should note the people who have actually been tossed out into the trash heap; some are folks he has interviewed.  But he won’t because he doesn’t want to suffer their fate.

    Henry, select the text you want from the comment that has the text. In this case #8 and then use the [Quote] function. Quoting from #9 looks like you are quoting from someone other than Mate De. I made the above quote as an example.

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  9. Mate De:
    But even those who are political commentators, or those who have chosen to speak out on the political right, will still self censor. There are still ideas, issues and people that should be talked to and about, that aren’t. So if you are going to call yourself a Free Speech absolutist and will still self censor then you aren’t an absolutist.

    Dave Rubin does not style himself as a “free speech absolutist” and I suspect Karlyn Borysenko doesn’t either.

    Mate De:
    I get these guys don’t want to get into stuff because of the headache they will get from our tech over lords. That just shows tactic worked, cause that was the point of the tactic, to get people to stop talking about certain things.

    Dave Rubin makes concessions to the tech overlords because he wants to keep his YouTube channel and his Twitter account. That’s not entirely unreasonable. To his credit, Rubin has established a BitChute channel where he uploads all his content. The trouble is the BitChute channel has fewer than 10k subscribers while the YouTube channel has 1.2M. It takes time to build a subscriber base and, in the meantime, he has to pay his staff and cover his other costs.

    To his further credit, Rubin ditched Patreon over a year ago because they deplatformed Sargon of Akkad (Carl Benjamin). Since Patreon was a significant source of Rubin’s revenue (~70%), this was not an easy step to take: one that involved risk and probably some sacrifice. As he explained in the link, that decision affected several people besides Rubin himself.

    YouTube has demonetized his videos and suppressed them in search. Obviously, he has not obsequiously bowed to the tech overlords entirely. He’s taken a reasonable path that allows him to still do good work. On the other hand, Milo is MIA.

    If you want to help the cause of free speech, I respectfully suggest you get yourself a BitChute and a SubscribeStar account, and set about supporting creators like Rubin who have established themselves on these platforms. And by support, I mean subscribing to their channels and sending dollars.

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  10. drlorentz:

    Mate De:
    But even those who are political commentators, or those who have chosen to speak out on the political right, will still self censor. There are still ideas, issues and people that should be talked to and about, that aren’t. So if you are going to call yourself a Free Speech absolutist and will still self censor then you aren’t an absolutist.

    Dave Rubin does not style himself as a “free speech absolutist” and I suspect Karlyn Borysenko doesn’t either.

    Mate De:
    I get these guys don’t want to get into stuff because of the headache they will get from our tech over lords. That just shows tactic worked, cause that was the point of the tactic, to get people to stop talking about certain things.

    Dave Rubin makes concessions to the tech overlords because he wants to keep his YouTube channel and his Twitter account. That’s not entirely unreasonable. To his credit, Rubin has established a BitChute channel where he uploads all his content. The trouble is the BitChute channel has fewer than 10k subscribers while the YouTube channel has 1.2M. It takes time to build a subscriber base and, in the meantime, he has to pay his staff and cover his other costs.

    To his further credit, Rubin ditched Patreon over a year ago because they deplatformed Sargon of Akkad (Carl Benjamin). Since Patreon was a significant source of Rubin’s revenue (~70%), this was not an easy step to take: one that involved risk and probably some sacrifice. As he explained in the link, that decision affected several people besides Rubin himself.

    YouTube has demonetized his videos and suppressed them in search. Obviously, he has not obsequiously bowed to the tech overlords entirely. He’s taken a reasonable path that allows him to still do good work. On the other hand, Milo is MIA.

    If you want to help the cause of free speech, I respectfully suggest you get yourself a BitChute and a SubscribeStar account, and set about supporting creators like Rubin who have established themselves on these platforms. And by support, I mean subscribing to their channels and sending dollars.

    I get your point and do support those whom I like. I am just not a particular fan of Dave Rubin.
    Milo isn’t MIA, he’s just really underground. Which is really freaking annoying, because he is actually amazingly brilliant. A lot smarter than most people would know, because he obviously hides his pain behind caustic humor and outrages behavior.

    But it is a sign of the times to toss out blunt provocateurs. Think of it this way, if Ann Coulter started her career in this environment would she be the Ann we know and love or hate? Milo isn’t anymore outrageous than Ann Coulter or Camille Paglia was in the 1990’s. Camille got raked over the coals for her article that date rape wasn’t a thing, in the 1990’s. Some of Paglia’s positions back then would have her banned today. I’m sure it cost her jobs but she wasn’t completely tossed out of society.

    I do like what Michelle Malkin has done and did a banned week on her channel. But I get Michelle has a bit of gravitas that some others might not have due to her longevity in the movement and is protected. I think I’m more with Michelle Malkin and her reaching out to the groyper types. Maybe it’s the mom instinct in us that we see what the culture has done to young men, actually young people period and understand their position. Obviously they need guidance but it is a youth movement that will not be going away anytime soon

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  11. Mate De:
    But it is a sign of the times to toss out blunt provocateurs.

    It’s tricky to find the right way to deal with this reality. Zman had a thoughtful post on this subject last week: Strategy, Tactics & Discipline. He presents both sides of the argument:

    One side of the debate argues that the only way to break a taboo is to break a taboo, so the only way forward to is to talk frankly about these things. [“taboo breakers”]

    The other side of the debate points out that the taboo breakers always end up in exile or condemned to some ghetto. [“optics guys”]

    He notes that..

    In reality, there is no voting your way out of the inherent defects of liberal democracy, so the taboo breakers are right to reject conventional politics. On the other hand, politics is always about persuasion. You can only persuade people by addressing them where they are, not where you hope them to be. That means maintaining enough respectability to be able to address them in the public square, even if it is in the shadows. In fact, the edge of the public square can be an attraction, as people like intrigue.

    If you go with the taboo-breakers, you’ve decided that we won’t be voting our way out of this mess. There are days I think that’s right.

    He concludes…

    In the end, alternative politics in a liberal democracy comes down to attracting high quality people, disaffected by the shortcomings of the system. If there is a genuine alternative, then there is a genuine choice. This has always been the defect of outsider politics in western liberal democracies. The alternatives are unreasonable and therefore attract the marginal and the unstable. A real alternative will maintain discipline and sublimate tactics to the strategy of being an authentic alternative.

    Milo lacks the discipline to make tactics subordinate to strategy. He’s definitely a smart guy but that’s not enough. Malkin is more mature and level-headed. I’m not sure where Katie Hopkins falls on this spectrum but she sure is great fun.

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  12. Gavin McInnes, calls it a “war on color”. Meaning interesting characters who bring color into the world, rather than a gray landscape of sameness, are being drummed out of society. Also, if we are going to meet people where they are at, we need all sorts because not everyone is in the same place. But we all know, that these platforms allow for all sorts of insane ideas. They allow for any type of Trans, pornography and even pedophilia on their platforms. Also, their really is no rhyme or reason to their banning sometimes. Dave Rubin could be on the chopping block anyway, not matter how careful he is.

    You never know when the hammer will drop on you.

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  13. Mate De:
    Gavin McInnes, calls it a “war on color”. Meaning interesting characters who bring color into the world, rather than a gray landscape of sameness, are being drummed out of society. Also, if we are going to meet people where they are at, we need all sorts because not everyone is in the same place. But we all know, that these platforms allow for all sorts of insane ideas. They allow for any type of Trans, pornography and even pedophilia on their platforms. Also, their really is no rhyme or reason to their banning sometimes. Dave Rubin could be on the chopping block anyway, not matter how careful he is.

    You never know when the hammer will drop on you.

    That’s exactly why alternative platforms are important. You will find Paul Joseph Watson, Styx, Ramzpaul, Ed Dutton, BPS, and Dave Rubin on these other platforms precisely because they all know the ban hammer can drop at any moment. But in the meantime, they all exploit the legacy platforms.

    Useful steps: migrating to alt-tech, supporting ‘colorful’ creators.

    Useless steps: whining about the “war on color” and getting yourself deplatformed.

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  14. drlorentz:

    Henry Castaigne:

    drlorentz:
    drlorentzsays: #9 2020-05-25 at 06:29 UTC  [Quote] Mate De: So when milk toast lefties like Dave Rubin bitch about being oppressed he should note the people who have actually been tossed out into the trash heap; some are folks he has interviewed.  But he won’t because he doesn’t want to suffer their fate.

    I’m not as hard on Dave Rubin as you are. He and Dr. Borysenko have taken some lumps but I don’t see them as whiny.

    Why do you want people to suffer so Mate De? Aren’t there enough martyrs to political correctness?

    For the love of sweet Jesus, please learn how to quote a comment correctly, @henrycastaigne.

    That is all.

    No sure how quoting works on Ratburger. It’s working now.

    Additionally, I am more into Lucifer the light-bringer but I like Jesus as well.

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  15. drlorentz:

    Mate De:
    Gavin McInnes, calls it a “war on color”. Meaning interesting characters who bring color into the world, rather than a gray landscape of sameness, are being drummed out of society. Also, if we are going to meet people where they are at, we need all sorts because not everyone is in the same place. But we all know, that these platforms allow for all sorts of insane ideas. They allow for any type of Trans, pornography and even pedophilia on their platforms. Also, their really is no rhyme or reason to their banning sometimes. Dave Rubin could be on the chopping block anyway, not matter how careful he is.

    You never know when the hammer will drop on you.

    That’s exactly why alternative platforms are important. You will find Paul Joseph Watson, Styx, Ramzpaul, Ed Dutton, BPS, and Dave Rubin on these other platforms precisely because they all know the ban hammer can drop at any moment. But in the meantime, they all exploit the legacy platforms.

    Useful steps: migrating to alt-tech, supporting ‘colorful’ creators.

    Useless steps: whining about the “war on color” and getting yourself deplatformed.

    Doc, I know there are other platforms Gavin created one (Milo and Soph are there…… and FYI if you were interested. Soph has really come into herself. The stuff she has been putting out on Censored.TV is way better than her old stuff. maybe getting kicked out of school and getting home schooled has given her more time to develop her content.) Vox day created one, even Pewdie pie went over to D live and now Joe Rogan to Spotify.
    The problem is the promotion of the platform, if you are banned from all social media. Hard to hoc your wares when you can’t advertise. Anyway Doc, we are in agreement on this one and I get your point about alternatives.

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  16. Henry Castaigne:

    Mate De:
    They allow for any type of Trans, pornography and even pedophilia on their platforms.

    Evidence?

    WHAT??? You can do that research yourself. I don’t want to have to go through all of that garbage. If you want to look yourself Blair White finds a lot of creeps online you can check out her channel. Also some certain search words i’m sure will help you find the evidence. But everyone knows Twitter has been fighting to get rid of the pedos on the platform.

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