Walz blinks

The Catholic Church in Minnesota joined with the Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod in making a statement earlier this week.   They said that their churches will open for real-life worship on Sunday, May 31, regardless of the Governor’s edict.

Today Governor Tim Walz backed down.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/05/23/minn-gov-loosens-restrictions-on-churches-after-catholics-and-lutherans-defy-his-order-n422825

This is a victory for religious liberty, and a victory for America.

Minnesotans, enjoy your return to worship.

Praise God, from whom all blessings flow.

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18 thoughts on “Walz blinks”

  1. Interesting that it is those hidebound Christian types who are Sticking It To The Man, while the usual suspects are barricaded in their homes with their masks on, following all the rules.

    A world turned upside down!

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  2. 10 Cents:
    It made no sense to have stores open but not churches.  If people are concerned precautions can be made.

    It didn’t have to make sense. Many of the restrictions are strictly punitive. The tyrants do it because they can and because they seek to break our will. Once that is accomplished, they will be able to micromanage our lives, which is the goal of all totalitarians. How else will the utopia be attained? The slate must be wiped clean before all that is good and right can be written upon it.

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  3. drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    It made no sense to have stores open but not churches.  If people are concerned precautions can be made.

    It didn’t have to make sense. Many of the restrictions are strictly punitive. The tyrants do it because they can and because they seek to break our will. Once that is accomplished, they will be able to micromanage our lives, which is the goal of all totalitarians. How else will the utopia be attained? The slate must be wiped clean before all that is good and right can be written upon it.

    Are you pro or anti this? Shirley, you can tell me.

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  4. 10 Cents:

    drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    It made no sense to have stores open but not churches.  If people are concerned precautions can be made.

    It didn’t have to make sense. Many of the restrictions are strictly punitive. The tyrants do it because they can and because they seek to break our will. Once that is accomplished, they will be able to micromanage our lives, which is the goal of all totalitarians. How else will the utopia be attained? The slate must be wiped clean before all that is good and right can be written upon it.

    Are you pro or anti this? Shirley, you can tell me.

    Hmm… let’s see. If I can be the tyrant, you could talk me into it. Don’t worry, I’d mostly be a benevolent tyrant, depending on one’s definition of benevolent.

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  5. drlorentz:

    10 Cents:

    drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    It made no sense to have stores open but not churches.  If people are concerned precautions can be made.

    It didn’t have to make sense. Many of the restrictions are strictly punitive. The tyrants do it because they can and because they seek to break our will. Once that is accomplished, they will be able to micromanage our lives, which is the goal of all totalitarians. How else will the utopia be attained? The slate must be wiped clean before all that is good and right can be written upon it.

    Are you pro or anti this? Shirley, you can tell me.

    Hmm… let’s see. If I can be the tyrant, you could talk me into it. Don’t worry, I’d mostly be a benevolent tyrant, depending on one’s definition of benevolent.

    “Hey, it’s benevolent for me!” will be your response when asked.

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  6. drlorentz:

    10 Cents:

    drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    It made no sense to have stores open but not churches.  If people are concerned precautions can be made.

    It didn’t have to make sense. Many of the restrictions are strictly punitive. The tyrants do it because they can and because they seek to break our will. Once that is accomplished, they will be able to micromanage our lives, which is the goal of all totalitarians. How else will the utopia be attained? The slate must be wiped clean before all that is good and right can be written upon it.

    Are you pro or anti this? Shirley, you can tell me.

    Hmm… let’s see. If I can be the tyrant, you could talk me into it. Don’t worry, I’d mostly be a benevolent tyrant, depending on one’s definition of benevolent.

    At least there would be good coffee.

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  7. Most all the sheriffs in Republican counties in NC sent letters to Roy Cooper stating they would not enforce the order to keep churches closed. Lo and behold he let churches be part of his phase 2 reopening plan. Gyms (who had been told earlier in the week they would be able to open) were not. Wineries, distilleries and brewpubs weren’t either til they “lawyered up” and goes who else got to open? Now the gyms and bars are going this route. Course there are some that just said to heck with it and opened anyway. See Ace Speedway in North Carolina. They had an estimated 5,000 in attendance.

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  8. Hasn’t anybody suffered high school?  There is only one way to deal with a bully, there is only one person you can trust to do it, and it is going to hurt.  It’s also nice to discover you have a few true friends of a like mind.  Just don’t get to liking it.

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  9. Blondie:
    Most all the sheriffs in Republican counties in NC sent letters to Roy Cooper stating they would not enforce the order to keep churches closed. Lo and behold he let churches be part of his phase 2 reopening plan. Gyms (who had been told earlier in the week they would be able to open) were not. Wineries, distilleries and brewpubs weren’t either til they “lawyered up” and goes who else got to open? Now the gyms and bars are going this route. Course there are some that just said to heck with it and opened anyway. See Ace Speedway in North Carolina. They had an estimated 5,000 in attendance.

    See, now this is a big difference between Murica and our cousins across the Pond. From what I hear from Britain, the police over there are enthusiastically enforcing even more draconian restrictions than those of the worst of the Karen governors. I’ve not heard of anyone like this guy over in the UK.

    Meanwhile, Dominic Cummings got in trouble for defying lockdown rules. Much like Neil Ferguson, it’s “do as I say, not as I do.” You can be sure if one of the little people did that, there’d be H-E-double-hockey-sticks to pay.

    In my area, the breweries have been open all along. You can’t drink it there but they’re open for business. Beer is essential.

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  10. drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    It made no sense to have stores open but not churches.  If people are concerned precautions can be made.

    It didn’t have to make sense. Many of the restrictions are strictly punitive. The tyrants do it because they can and because they seek to break our will. Once that is accomplished, they will be able to micromanage our lives, which is the goal of all totalitarians. How else will the utopia be attained? The slate must be wiped clean before all that is good and right can be written upon it.

    Yes, the State is the instrument of the Lord for millenarian atheists.

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  11. Haakon Dahl:

    drlorentz:

    10 Cents:
    It made no sense to have stores open but not churches.  If people are concerned precautions can be made.

    It didn’t have to make sense. Many of the restrictions are strictly punitive. The tyrants do it because they can and because they seek to break our will. Once that is accomplished, they will be able to micromanage our lives, which is the goal of all totalitarians. How else will the utopia be attained? The slate must be wiped clean before all that is good and right can be written upon it.

    Yes, the State is the instrument of the Lord for millenarian atheists.

    Are you now or have you ever been a millenarian atheist? We record answers for training purposes and to better have you serve.

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  12. The battle continues in California:

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/05/24/9th-circuit-court-allowing-california-churches-to-open-is-a-suicide-pact-n423568

    A three-judge panel on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Newsom’s March lockdown order, basically saying they couldn’t trust Christians to follow the rules and gather without getting someone sick, therefore allowing them to open would be tantamount to allowing churches to enter into a “suicide pact.”

    We’re dealing here with a highly contagious and often fatal disease for which there presently is no known cure. In the words of Justice Robert Jackson, if a “[c]ourt does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact.”

    It was a 2-1 vote.  Here is a quote from the dissenting judge:

    …the State’s position on this score illogically assumes that the very same people who cannot be trusted to follow the rules at their place of worship can be trusted to do so at their workplace: the State cannot “assume the worst when people go to worship but assume the best when people go to work or go about the rest of their daily lives in permitted social settings.”

    More than 1,200 churches plan to open on The Day of Pentecost in defiance of Newsom’s order, expressing the churches’ “essentiality” in a letter to him and California Attorney General Xavier Becerra.

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  13. In California, Governor Newsome attempted to split the baby.  He issued a 13-page edict that allows churches to open, so the headlines can say he blinked and gave ground to the religious people.   But the devil, of course, is in the fine print.  The new rules for churches go way beyond the rules decreed for businesses.

    The whole affair will not stop any of the legal wrangling; in fact, that is likely to intensify.

    Here is the Leftist spin on the breaking story from LATimes:

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-26/california-battle-over-reopening-church-isnt-over-even-with-new-coronavrus-rules

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  14. Without reading the source material, I can sympathize with what must be one aspect of the government’s plight here — they acknowledge the need to get business going for the sake of the economy.  From the government’s POV, this is laudable, even if halting and confounded.  The government doesn’t benefit if you go to church — it does benefit (and all in the economy benefit) if you go to work or engage in other renewed economic activity (BUY MOAR GOODS!).  We need not ascribe evil intent to the government if we assume that the government in turn assumes that we can just suck it up without some church for a while.  I mean, the Saints endured worse, and pressed on in faith, perseverance, etc. amirite?

    The problem for the government is that this is not their call.  No American needs to justify their religious practices to the government, nor prove some benefit to be weighed against what risk there may be.  This is foundational to the country, and no amount of emergency powers may abscond with the very nature of our society and the government instituted by the people for the preservation of that society.

    This agnostic says Open the Churches.  After all, if de gummint were actually serious about protecting the people, we would have border control.

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  15. Haakon Dahl:
    Without reading the source material, I can sympathize with what must be one aspect of the government’s plight here

    I can’t. Their only plight is that they can’t realize all their tyrannical aspirations.

    What ever happened to “My body, my choice”? If it’s good enough for abortion then it’s good enough for church, and everything else for that matter. Those who are worried can carry on with masks and gloves, or stay home. Life needn’t change much for them.

    In related news, the CDC’s most recent best estimates for mortality from the WuFlu are about 0.4% overall, with varying values as a function of age. For individuals under age 50, the values are ridiculously small: 0.05%. These are advertised as parameters for planning. If so, how come these chuckleheads aren’t using them to plan?

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  16. Haakon Dahl:
    We need not ascribe evil intent to the government if we assume that the government in turn assumes that we can just suck it up without some church for a while.  I mean, the Saints endured worse, and pressed on in faith, perseverance, etc. amirite?

    Some thoughts:

    My great grandfather was a pastor here in Memphis.  He had to close the church for several months in 1918 during the Spanish Influenza.  In that regard, my experience has not been nearly so bad as his, since I have the internet and can communicate with my pastor and other church members via phone and e-mail, and we have been able to produce streaming worship services that our members have joined virtually.  (Only a few member families had telephones in 1918.)

    I was even able to continue my Sunday School class, though not without some technical problems.  So, yes, this experience is not unlike tribulations that have befallen the church from time to time, and, considering some circumstances, this has not been nearly so bad by comparison.

    But in America, why should the saints endure more burdensome restrictions than are placed on commercial enterprises?  The First Amendment is there for a reason, and this right here is the reason.  It is a limit on petty tyranny.

    I appreciate very much that in a dispute between the Left and the Church, you side with the Church.  That helps.

    I think, though, that I am on pretty solid ground to impute evil intent to the government of (in Uncle Al’s phrasing) the Soviet of California.  They are Leftists.  Governor Newsome is a Leftist.  The Democrat Party of California is dominated by Leftist leadership.   They have assaulted traditionalist Christianity in many ways in recent years.

    The Left has opposed the Church since the dawn of Leftism.  The main goal of the Left is to destroy western civilization, and the Church is the foundation of western civilization.

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  17. MJBubba:
    I think, though, that I am on pretty solid ground to impute evil intent to the government of (in Uncle Al’s phrasing) the Soviet of California.

    Oh, I agree whole-heartedly.  I frequently try to weaken my own argument by kicking away un-needed crutches in order to demonstrate that the point stands on its own.  I’m not saying that they are anything other than evil.  I’m just saying that we don’t even need that fact in the mix to demonstrate that the government is wa-a-ay out of its depth here.

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