13 thoughts on “End US Citizenship”

  1. “…The very deep did rot— O Christ! /That ever this should be:/For slimy things did crawl with legs/upon the slimy sea!”

    That’s from Coleridge’s Rime of the Ancient Mariner.  Reading this post,  I have a lotta fellow-feeling for that dude (and not only because all the men I know are long-haired and bearded now…)   No it’s because our very element, the culture in which we are immersed and which buoys us up, like the “deep“  surrounding the mariner, has changed, changed utterly, into something we can’t recognize.

    Can water “rot”? Can our own supposedly well-educated citizens advocate eliminating citizenship?  Seeing is believing…

    And….is anybody coming?  The Mariner sees a speck on the horizon and:  “I bit my arm, I sucked the blood/And cried, ‘A sail! A sail!”

    Will WE ever be able to thus herald our own rescue, even if we have to moisten our parched throats with our own blood to raise the cry?

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  2. Since there is no more citizenship, I presume that means there is no more government and no more taxes, and no more forced contributions to fund poseurs in academia.  Oh Happy Day!

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  3. One suspects the abolition of US citizenship renders re-educated citizen-reparationists economic half-croppers.  1/2 of everything we hoe will not be ours from the start…nor the 1/2 we pilfered from the deserving.

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  4. Gavin Longmuir:
    Since there is no more citizenship, I presume that means there is no more government and no more taxes, and no more forced contributions to fund poseurs in academia.  Oh Happy Day!

    To think people go into debt to “learn” from them. I hope they saw off the limb they are on quickly and complain about the unfairness of gravity on the way down.

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  5. Bryan G. Stephens:
    If American citizenship means nothing,  renounce it Robert.

    If you don’t, i can only assume you are blowhard.

    As a thought exercise, it is sort of intriguing.  I think I would be willing to trade my American citizenship for Tennessee citizenship.   We close all of Washington D.C. except for Defense, State, Commerce and the Post Office, and see how things go from there.

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  6. Bryan G. Stephens:
    If American citizenship means nothing,  renounce it Robert.

    It is actually possible to assign a financial value to American citizenship.  In a free market, financial value is what you have to pay in order to obtain something, or what you receive for getting rid of it.  But since you can’t buy and sell citizenship in a free market (as Robin Hanson has suggested), we have a market which is strongly manipulated by governments who are able to issue the credentials of citizenship at no cost to themselves.

    The U.S., like many countries, sells citizenship for cold cash to wealthy would-be immigrants.  This is called the EB-5 Visa, or “Immigrant Investor Visa” in which somebody can obtain permanent residence in the U.S. (a “green card” with the right to eventually apply for citizenship) by investing a large sum of money (between US$500,000 and 1,800,000 depending upon when and where) in a U.S. business which employs 10 or more U.S. workers.  As you might expect in the Empire of Grifters, this is full of gimmicks and work-arounds to get the cash into the government coffers.  Recently, as many of 85% of these visas went to wealthy Chinese looking to have a bolt-hole when when whole fairy castle of Red China collapses.

    So, is U.S. citizenship worth half to two million?  Well, not so fast.  What do you get when you want to be rid of it?  That’s the other side of the transaction, and while in a free market the bid-ask spread will usually be small, in a government manipulated market the sky (or the scam) is the limit.  In the 1990s, there was no fee for renunciation of U.S. citizenship, but the price has ratcheted up since 2000, and it now costs US$2350, paid to the U.S. State Department, just to get rid of the Blue Bird of Confiscation.  (When you add in the costs of preparing the other documentation required for renunciation, the cost may run five to ten times higher.)  So, from the “sell price”—what you get for getting rid of it—the value of U.S. citizenship is US$−2350 or more.  This says that the “asset“ has a negative value: it is like toxic waste—it costs you money to get rid of it.

    In such a situation, the wise investor is the one who gets rid of the asset when there is no cost involved in doing so or, since the cost is likely to continue to rise (as it has for the last 25 years), as soon as possible.

    As I have been saying since the 1990s, if it costs you money, either directly or in immediate taxes or claims on your future income or disposition of assets, to get rid of your citizenship, you are not a citizen, you are property.

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  7. MJBubba:

    Bryan G. Stephens:
    If American citizenship means nothing,  renounce it Robert.

    If you don’t, i can only assume you are blowhard.

    As a thought exercise, it is sort of intriguing.  I think I would be willing to trade my American citizenship for Tennessee citizenship.   We close all of Washington D.C. except for Defense, State, Commerce and the Post Office, and see how things go from there.

    Treasury Bubba. Commerce is an 1880s creation.

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  8. Robert A. McReynolds:

    MJBubba:

    Bryan G. Stephens:
    If American citizenship means nothing,  renounce it Robert.

    If you don’t, i can only assume you are blowhard.

    As a thought exercise, it is sort of intriguing.  I think I would be willing to trade my American citizenship for Tennessee citizenship.   We close all of Washington D.C. except for Defense, State, Commerce and the Post Office, and see how things go from there.

    Treasury Bubba. Commerce is an 1880s creation.

    Pardon me for the oversight of Treasury.  I was thinking also that the states are so polarized in opposition to each other, that a federal Commerce Department would also be needed to help companies do business across state lines.

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