Uighurs

Muslim scum, right? Can’t be trusted. Suspect. Dangerous.

What to do about these seditious Muslim terrorists in the midst? Why let them proliferate and use up resources that decent people need?

Lock them up. Eliminate them. Eliminate all record that they ever existed.

That is what China is doing. They have imprisoned millions into a chain of new prison camps. They force Uighur women to have abortions and to get sterilized. They jail Uighur parents who have had too many children. They bulldoze Uighur cemeteries to remove the evidence that communities were historically Uighur.

Typical Communists, they lie lie lie about what is going on in Xinjiang Province. Typical Leftists, Big Media and Big Tech are complicit in the ChiCom crimes.   So are a number of large American brands.

So what prompted this post? A couple of new developments.

First, Team Trump finally acted.

Surveying emerging threats of the last year, one menacing actor continues to evolve — China,” acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf said in a speech Wednesday. “We are preventing goods produced by slave labor from entering our markets and demanding that China respect the inherent dignity of each human being.”

This week, the Trump administration moved to block imports of cotton and tomato products from the same western region of China over concerns that they were made with forced labor. The orders mean any intercepted import will be detained by [Customs and Border Patrol (CBP)] officers and not allowed into the United States — a move that CBP hopes deters senders from trying to do business with U.S. consumers.

Federal law prohibits the importation of merchandise mined, manufactured, or produced, in part or fully, by convict labor, forced child labor, and indentured labor.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-blocking-chinese-exports-made-by-uighur-muslims-in-forced-labor-camps/ar-BB18VRRD

The lying ChiComs objected:

China denies mistreatment of the Uighurs and says the camps are vocational training centers needed to fight extremism.

In Beijing on Wednesday, a foreign ministry spokesman dismissed the orders as a pretext to target Chinese firms.

I think the U.S. cares nothing about human rights,” Zhao Lijian said in response to a query.

It is only using this as a pretext to oppress Chinese companies, destabilize Xinjiang and slander China’s Xinjiang policy,” he told a daily news briefing.

China will take all necessary measures to safeguard its companies’ legitimate rights and interests, he added.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-xinjiang-idUSKBN25Z29N

That Reuters report includes additional steps from Team Trump:

The State Department also said it sent a letter to top American firms, such as Walmart Inc WMT.N, Apple Inc AAPL.Oand Amazon.com Inc AMZN.O, warning them over risks from supply chains linked with human rights abuses in Xinjiang.

In a draft announcement seen by Reuters, the CBP said it identified forced-labor indicators involving the cotton, textile and tomato supply chains, “including debt bondage, unfree movement, isolation, intimidation and threats, withholding of wages, and abusive working and living conditions.”

The orders would block cotton from the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, and apparel from Yili Zhuowan Garment Manufacturing Co Ltd and Baoding LYSZD Trade and Business Co Ltd., which the agency says use prison labor from Chinese government administered “re-education” internment camps.

They would also block imports of items from the Lop County Industrial Park and the Lop County No. 4 Vocational Skills Education and Training Center, following the July 1 detention of products from Lop County Meixin Hair Product Co..

The CBP orders would also block imports of computer parts from Hefei Bitland Information Technology Co Ltd, based in Anhui province.

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The other development was a great bit of research performed by BuzzFeed.

China has secretly built scores of massive new prison and internment camps in the past three years, dramatically escalating its campaign against Muslim minorities even as it publicly claimed the detainees had all been set free. The construction of these purpose-built, high-security camps — some capable of housing tens of thousands of people — signals a radical shift away from the country’s previous makeshift use of public buildings, like schools and retirement homes, to a vast and permanent infrastructure for mass detention.

The research amounted to a painstaking comparison of aerial photos of Xinjiang Province. They compared old photos and recent photos available in China to satellite images provided by Google Earth, Planet Labs, and the European Space Agency’s Sentinel Hub.” By poring over them in great detail, they found buildings that had been scrubbed off the Chinese photos. They then sought the best available pictures of those areas to identify what it is that China is hiding. They found prisons. Lots of them. They brought in an architect to help with the identifications and to estimate the likely number of inmates.

This is excellent long-form investigative journalism, and I found it to be a fascinating read. Here are long excerpts from part 1. Part 2 continues with additional accounts of life in these prison camps. BuzzFeed interviewed 28 former inmates, mostly ethnic Kazakhs who were able to flee to Kazakhstan.

BuzzFeed News identified more than 260 structures built since 2017 and bearing the hallmarks of fortified detention compounds. There is at least one in nearly every county in the far-west region of Xinjiang. During that time, the investigation shows, China has established a sprawling system to detain and incarcerate hundreds of thousands of Uighurs, Kazakhs, and other Muslim minorities, in what is already the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.

These forbidding facilities — including several built or significantly expanded within the last year — are part of the government’s unprecedented campaign of mass detention of more than a million people, which began in late 2016. That year Chen Quanguo, the region’s top official and Communist Party boss, whom the US recently sanctioned over human rights abuses, also put Muslim minorities — more than half the region’s population of about 25 million — under perpetual surveillance via facial recognition cameras, cellphone tracking, checkpoints, and heavy-handed human policing. They are also subject to many other abuses, ranging from sterilization to forced labor. …

Ninety-two of these facilities have been identified or verified as detention centers by other sources, such as government procurement documents, academic research, or, in 19 cases, visits by journalists.

Another 176 facilities have been established by satellite imagery alone. The images frequently show thick walls at the perimeter, and often, barbed wire fencing that creates pens and corridors in the courtyards. Many compounds in the region are walled, but the facilities identified by BuzzFeed News have much heavier fortifications. At 121 of these compounds, they also show guard towers, often built into the perimeter wall.

People are living in horror in these places,” said 49-year-old Zhenishan Berdibek, who was detained in a camp in the Tacheng region for much of 2018. “Some of the younger people were not as tolerant as us — they cried and screamed and shouted.” But Berdibek, a cancer survivor, couldn’t muster the energy. As she watched the younger women get dragged away to solitary confinement, “I lost my hope,” she said. “I wanted to die inside the camp.”

Downloading WhatsApp, which is banned in China, maintaining ties with family abroad, engaging in prayer, and visiting a foreign websiteare all offenses for which Muslims have been sent to camps, according to previously leaked documents and interviews with former detainees. Because the government does not consider internment camps to be part of the criminal justice system and none of these behaviors are crimes under Chinese law, no detainees have been formally arrested or charged with a crime, let alone seen a day in court.

Xinjiang’s prison population has grown massively during the government’s campaign: In 2017, the region had 21% of all arrests in China, despite making up less than 2% of the national population — an eightfold increase from the year before, according to a New York Times analysisof government data. Because China’s Communist Party–controlled courts have a more than 99% conviction rate, the overwhelming majority of those arrests likely resulted in convictions.

People detained in the camps told BuzzFeed News they were subjected to torture, hunger, overcrowding, solitary confinement, forced birth control, and a range of other abuses. They said they were put through brainwashing programs focusing on Communist Party propaganda and made to speak only in the Chinese language. Some former detainees said they were forced to labor without pay in factories.

BuzzFeed story, part 1 and part 2:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/china-new-internment-camps-xinjiang-uighurs-muslims

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alison_killing/china-ex-prisoners-horrors-xinjiang-camps-uighurs

For additional info, interviews and photos, see this article at TheFederalist.com:

An anonymous source posted a video last year showing blind-folded Uighur men with hands tied being moved at a train station in the northwest region, undercutting Chinese claims that the detention centers are simply vocational training schools. 

https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/11/see-the-faces-china-is-erasing-by-persecuting-millions-of-uighurs/

The video they echoed had been posted by Australian ABC News.

The footage purportedly shows dozens of Uyghur men — their heads freshly shaved —blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs during a mass transfer at a train station in the north-west region of China.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-23/video-uyghurs-shaved-blindfolded-xinjiang-train-station-china/11537628

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Here from June of this year, is an Associated Press story about forced abortions on Uighurs.

https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

That story has hair-raising and heart-wrenching stories. Also it includes this bit about Intrauterine Devices for forced sterilizations:

In 2014, just over 200,000 IUDs were inserted in Xinjiang. By 2018, that jumped more than 60 percent to nearly 330,000 IUDs. At the same time, IUD use tumbled elsewhere in China, as many women began getting the devices removed.

Police rounded up over 180 parents with too many children until “not a single one was left,” she said. At night, she said, she lay in bed, stiff with terror, as officers with guns and tasers hauled her neighbors away. From time to time police pounded on her door and searched her apartment for Qurans, knives, prayer mats and of course children, she said.

Your heart would leap out of your chest,” she said.

Then, that August, officials in the teacher’s compound were told to install IUDs on all women of childbearing age. She protested, saying she was nearly 50 with just one child and no plans to have more. Officials threatened to drag her to a police station and strap her to an iron chair for interrogation.

She was forced into a bus with four armed officers and taken to a hospital where hundreds of Uighur women lined up in silence, waiting for IUDs to be inserted. Some wept quietly, but nobody dared say a word because of the surveillance cameras hanging overhead.

Her IUD was designed to be irremovable without special instruments. The first 15 days, she got headaches and nonstop menstrual bleeding.

I couldn’t eat properly, I couldn’t sleep properly. It gave me huge psychological pressure,” she said. “Only Uighurs had to wear it.”

Chinese health statistics also show a sterilization boom in Xinjiang.

Budget documents obtained by Zenz show that starting in 2016, the Xinjiang government began pumping tens of millions of dollars into a birth control surgery program and cash incentives for women to get sterilized. While sterilization rates plunged in the rest of the country, they surged seven-fold in Xinjiang from 2016 to 2018, to more than 60,000 procedures. The Uighur-majority city of Hotan budgeted for 14,872 sterilizations in 2019 — over 34% of all married women of childbearing age, Zenz found.

The AP report is follow-up to a press release from the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. Their report was also covered by National Review, who included this bit:

According to Zenz’s report, “in 2014, 2.5 percent of newly placed IUDs [intrauterine birth-control devices] in China were fitted in Xinjiang. In 2018, that share rose to 80 percent, far above Xinjiang’s 1.8 percent share of China’s population. Between 2015 and 2018, Xinjiang placed 7.8 times more new IUDs per capita than the national average.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/chinas-horrifying-war-on-uyghur-women/

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Here, from last year, is the story about China bulldozing cemeteries:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3032646/no-space-mourn-destruction-uygur-graveyards-xinjiang

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/02/asia/xinjiang-uyghur-graveyards-china-intl-hnk/index.html

I think Team Trump should label what is going on in Xinjiang a genocide. That would have implications under both U.S. and international law.

Do you think Americans should care about the genocide that China is waging against Uighur Muslims?

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16 thoughts on “Uighurs”

  1. Let’s not forget about the Tibetans and the Cantonese in Hong Kong. The list is endless…

    As an aside, few people remember that Hitler murdered 3,000 Catholic clergy and that JPII was a member of the Resistance.

    I remember these historical facts every time I listen to the whining of BLM members. They have no clue about true religious/ethnic homicide.

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  2. EThompson:
    Let’s not forget about the Tibetans and the Cantonese in Hong Kong. The list is endless…

    As an aside, few people remember that Hitler murdered 3,000 Catholic clergy and that JPII was a member of the Resistance.

    I remember these historical facts every time I listen to the whining of BLM members. They have no clue about true religious/ethnic homicide.

    I view this as a victory for President Trump.

    No national-level politician in either party was talking about China until Trump started talking about China.   Now their murderous activities are coming out, their spies are being revealed, their theft, hacking, malicious mischief, military aggressions, human rights violations, deceit, manipulations and unpleasantnesses are all exposed.  Their bribery of American officials is hopefully next to see some sunlight.

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  3. MJBubba:

    EThompson:
    Let’s not forget about the Tibetans and the Cantonese in Hong Kong. The list is endless…

    As an aside, few people remember that Hitler murdered 3,000 Catholic clergy and that JPII was a member of the Resistance.

    I remember these historical facts every time I listen to the whining of BLM members. They have no clue about true religious/ethnic homicide.

    I view this as a victory for President Trump.

    No national-level politician in either party was talking about China until Trump started talking about China.   Now their murderous activities are coming out, their spies are being revealed, their theft, hacking, malicious mischief, military aggressions, human rights violations, deceit, manipulations and unpleasantnesses are all exposed.  Their bribery of American officials is hopefully next to see some sunlight.

    I hope he milks this one for all it’s worth. We all need to put Russia on hold for a minute; we have a true and powerful enemy in the CCP.

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  4. “... the CBP said it identified forced-labor indicators involving the cotton, textile and tomato supply chains …

    In what world does it make economic sense to ship tomatoes (or tomato seeds. or tomato fertilizer, or whatever else is in the supply chain) half way round the world from China to the US?  Our tax and trade regulations are so messed up — to the profound disadvantage of American workers!

    [Chinese authorities] put Muslim minorities — more than half the region’s population of about 25 million — under perpetual surveillance via facial recognition cameras, cellphone tracking, checkpoints, and heavy-handed human policing.”

    That is bad!  That sounds like what Boris Johnson’s government is doing to English citizens these days.  And I wish I was making a bad joke.

    To get to the meat of the matter, what the Chinese government is doing to Chinese citizens who happen to be Muslim Uighers is of course bad.  What Western governments are doing in importing excessive numbers of  foreign Muslims who have no interest in fitting in to existing society is of course very stupid.  It looks like no-one has a good answer on this issue.

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  5. Gavin Longmuir:
    “... the CBP said it identified forced-labor indicators involving the cotton, textile and tomato supply chains …

    In what world does it make economic sense to ship tomatoes (or tomato seeds. or tomato fertilizer, or whatever else is in the supply chain) half way round the world from China to the US?  Our tax and trade regulations are so messed up — to the profound disadvantage of American workers!

    [Chinese authorities] put Muslim minorities — more than half the region’s population of about 25 million — under perpetual surveillance via facial recognition cameras, cellphone tracking, checkpoints, and heavy-handed human policing.”

    That is bad!  That sounds like what Boris Johnson’s government is doing to English citizens these days.  And I wish I was making a bad joke.

    To get to the meat of the matter, what the Chinese government is doing to Chinese citizens who happen to be Muslim Uighers is of course bad.  What Western governments are doing in importing excessive numbers of  foreign Muslims who have no interest in fitting in to existing society is of course very stupid.  It looks like no-one has a good answer on this issue.

    This is a great comment. Probably comment of the day.

    I would add that the US population has been under surveillance for just about 15 years. Add to that the advent of contact tracing due to COVID and the US is no better than China. (Oh that is going to cheese people off but it is the truth.)

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  6. To answer your question: yeah.   I guess.
    It’s hard to get too upset about a minority which if it were able would probably be launching suicide attacks against us….but yeah, ok, we’re the good guys,  we’reAgainst  any persecution of religious belief.
    No I wouldn’t call it a genocide.  A “creacide,”at most.  .  I see that isn’t a word, but it should be.  Creed-ocide?
    In short this is useful to us cuz it shows what monsters the CHinkpinks are.
    But has tolerating and protecting Islam within our borders been of any benefit to the US?
    Has any religion ever done humanity much good? Or, more good than harm?

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  7. What the Chi Coms are doing to the Uighurs is a dress rehearsal of what they will do to us after their Quisling Puppet Beijing Biden and Willie Brown’s former mistress are installed. Kali Yuga Harris is part of the corrupt Pelosi-Brown-Feinstein San Francisco machine that has sold out to Xi Jinping with Obama’s and Clinton’s blessings.

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  8. I’ve got de Debil in me tonite!

    So, um,are we willing to countenance what the Chinkpinks  are doing to the sworn enemies of Christendom?

    Or not?

    Yes we can say it’s Christlike to forbid the sword even against our enemies.  But Christ was God, He knew they couldn’t succeed in killing Him.  Us, not so much.

    I really am humbly asking.

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  9. H.: “So, um,are we willing to countenance what the Chinkpinks  are doing to the sworn enemies of Christendom?

    We have been quite willing to stand aside while the Chinese government persecuted sworn believers in Christ the Lord.

    Why should we care more about what the Chinese government does to minority Muslims than to Han Christians?  Perhaps one could argue that our shrugging about the abysmal Chinese treatment of Uighur Muslims and moving on is even-handed treatment, similar to our response to the Chinese treatment of Christians?

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  10. Gavin Longmuir:
    H.: “So, um,are we willing to countenance what the Chinkpinks  are doing to the sworn enemies of Christendom?

    We have been quite willing to stand aside while the Chinese government persecuted sworn believers in Christ the Lord.

    Why should we care more about what the Chinese government does to minority Muslims than to Han Christians?  Perhaps one could argue that our shrugging about the abysmal Chinese treatment of Uighur Muslims and moving on is even-handed treatment, similar to our response to the Chinese treatment of Christians?

    The State Department has been working hard for thirty years to make sure that America does not favor Christians.  They think this is the way to win goodwill among Muslim despots.   They have a handful of diplomatic successes they can tout as evidence this policy pays off, but I am convinced that it is counterproductive.

    A handful of diplomatic successes is really thin.  The cost has been betrayal of peoples who are greatly inclined to be friends of America.  Christians have suffered in the Middle East and in Africa, with their plight made worse through American indifference.

    Third World Christians naturally would be friends of America if we would give them the least excuse.

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  11. Hypatia:
    To answer your question: yeah.   I guess.
    It’s hard to get too upset about a minority which if it were able would probably be launching suicide attacks against us….but yeah, ok, we’re the good guys,  we’reAgainst  any persecution of religious belief.
    No I wouldn’t call it a genocide.  A “creacide,”at most.  .  I see that isn’t a word, but it should be.  Creed-ocide?
    In short this is useful to us cuz it shows what monsters the CHinkpinks are.

    I do call it genocide.  Forced abortions is murder.  Forced sterilizations ends family lines.  Forced resettlement is “ethnic cleansing,” which is a term that was deliberately coined in order to avoid use of the word “genocide.” Prison sentences for parents who had too many children is unconscionable punishment for the children.  It is time for Team Trump to say the word.

    But has tolerating and protecting Islam within our borders been of any benefit to the US?

    I would have argued that we benefit from being tolerant, right up until we foolishly opened up the floodgates for tons of Muslims from shithole countries.

    Has any religion ever done humanity much good? Or, more good than harm?

    I will have to take this up in a new post.

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  12. Hypatia:
    I’ve got de Debil in me tonite!

    So, um,are we willing to countenance what the Chinkpinks  are doing to the sworn enemies of Christendom?

    Or not?

    Gavin Longmuir gave a good answer to this.  We are remaining relatively quiet while human rights abuses against Christians also mount up.

    But the Chinese treatment of the Uighurs is worse than what they have been dishing out to Christians, though this is only a matter of degree.

    Yes we can say it’s Christlike to forbid the sword even against our enemies.  But Christ was God, He knew they couldn’t succeed in killing Him.  Us, not so much.

    I really am humbly asking.

    My interpretation of the Christian Scriptures leads me to believe that it would be very wrong to take up a war against a people in order to force them to convert to Christianity.

    But a war to intervene to protect innocent lives is a very different matter.

    Of course, as soon as I put it in terms of protecting oppressed minorities, I get serious Libertarian push-back that points out that it is not in America’s interest.

    My reply is that the best friends that America has around the dangerous places in the world are the Christians who live in those places.

    And the back-and-forth hinges on political opinions and not religious opinions.

    At the very least, if we are not going to intervene to alleviate the oppression, we should quit profiting from the murder and exploitation of the oppressed.

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  13. MJBubba:

    Hypatia:
    I’ve got de Debil in me tonite!

    So, um,are we willing to countenance what the Chinkpinks  are doing to the sworn enemies of Christendom?

    Or not?

    Gavin Longmuir gave a good answer to this.  We are remaining relatively quiet while human rights abuses against Christians also mount up.

    But the Chinese treatment of the Uighurs is worse than what they have been dishing out to Christians, though this is only a matter of degree.

    Yes we can say it’s Christlike to forbid the sword even against our enemies.  But Christ was God, He knew they couldn’t succeed in killing Him.  Us, not so much.

    I really am humbly asking.

    My interpretation of the Christian Scriptures leads me to believe that it would be very wrong to take up a war against a people in order to force them to convert to Christianity.

    But a war to intervene to protect innocent lives is a very different matter.

    Of course, as soon as I put it in terms of protecting oppressed minorities, I get serious Libertarian push-back that points out that it is not in America’s interest.

    My reply is that the best friends that America has around the dangerous places in the world are the Christians who live in those places.

    And the back-and-forth hinges on political opinions and not religious opinions.

    At the very least, if we are not going to intervene to alleviate the oppression, we should quit profiting from the murder and exploitation of the oppressed.

    Yeah, I for one am one of those libertarian types. The problem is that we cannot/should not project onto whole countries attributes of individuals. If I see a person being attacked or otherwise oppressed by another, I am well within moral bounds to intervene because I alone bear the brunt of my decision. But as a country this is simply not the case and that is why claims of it not being in US interests must be given more weight. The people deciding to intervene do not risk nearly as much as those outside that decision making process. By and large they are not the ones fighting the war, bearing the brunt of the financial risks of war, or suffering the consequences of follow-on effects from that war. The rule is that the upper elites can exempt themselves while the bottom dregs cannot. To me this makes the presence of clear US interest—I.e imminent invasion—a much greater moral argument than “somebody is in pain and we must stop it.” For instance, why not invade Venezuela first? Much closer to us, has a direct impact on us in terms of immigration, and could have some positive follow-on effects as opposed to going across the globe and helping a group of people at great cost with no real benefit? Intervention is a fool’s errand.

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  14. Exterminating hyper-reproductive Turkish expat Muslims is bad thing?  If it is inefficient and polluting, sure.  If it is industrialized re 1939-1945…there’s historical precedent.

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