30 thoughts on “Rod Dreher Has a Terrifying Piece”

  1. I demand lash scars one every back.  I demand the distal pinkie joint be crushed off every pinkie, then hot brand cauterized.  I demand males be welded into spike-lined chastity belts.  I demand every woman’s mouth be pried open with a scold.  I demand universal penury, universal filth, universal woe, universal sacrifice, and universal obeisance.  I demand eyes being gnawed out by starving rats, children with bloated bellies screaming in the night, and I demand thundering praise in the streets.  I demand DemSoc.

    The enemy does not have faces.  The enemy has deeds.  Support evolution – shoot back

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  2. Isn’t religion kinda a “social credit system»?  I mean, to God, all hearts are open, all desires known, no secrets are hid.  People believe in obedience, in doing good works, so that their days would be long upon the earth and they would get to eat theFruit  of the vineyards they had planted, their barns would be full, they would be victorious in battle….well, now, instead of God it’s the gov’t  engineering all this reward and punishment.

    And lemme ask ya: if this is what the very young want, is there any point in resisting?

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  3. Hypatia:
    Isn’t religion kinda a “social credit system»?  I mean, to God, all hearts are open, all desires known, no secrets are hid.  People believe in obedience, in doing good works, so that their days would be long upon the earth and they would get to eat theFruit  of the vineyards they had planted, their barns would be full, they would be victorious in battle….well, now, instead of God it’s the gov’t  engineering all this reward and punishment.

    And lemme ask ya: if this is what the very young want, is there any point in resisting?

    That’s kind of a great question. I mean I say we give it to them by the bottle instead of the spoon full, but then I think the ones who we would really like to inflict this on will be ones counted as having a great social credit score. The shit wits in DC, Seattle, NYC, Austin, etc., will be the ones inflicting it upon the innocent, the normal, the traditional.  It is often pointed out that no one will know the time or the hour in which He returns, which is true. But that doesn’t mean He didn’t tell us what month of the year He would be coming.

    But know this, that in the last days [a]perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, [b]unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

    II Timothy 3:1-5

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  4. Timothy, uh, nailed  it…but I wasn’t kidding.  I read a book about the Mongols once—I remember one aspect of their beliefs: they didn’t believe in charity, because they thoughT  that people who pleased God were always prospered by God.  Anybody in need or penury must be Not a Good Person.  That’s what it’ll be like under social credit. Nothing new under the sun.

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  5. There’s no need to wait for the government to get into the social credit business. It has already been implemented, in part. Undesirables are denied access to financial services (Paypal, credit card processing) and other services (Uber & Lyft) by the corporate oligarchs. Laura Loomer, Republican candidate for Florida’s 21st Congressional District can no longer use Uber, Paypal, or Twitter. From Wikipedia:

    Loomer has been banned from numerous social media platforms, payment processors, vehicles for hire and food delivery mobile apps, and other establishments for various reasons, including violating policies on hate speech and spreading misinformation.

    But wait, there’s more.

    Loomer was also banned from the March 2019 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC)…

    Loomer won a commanding plurality of the votes in August. She is the party’s nominee and has been endorsed by the president. Indeed, Florida 21 is the president’s home district. And yet, Twitter has explicitly refused to allow her back on the platform.

    If I were religious, I’d pray for her victory in November, unlikely as it may be.

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  6. In fact think of the 23rd Psalm, where the speaker depicts himself aa an obedient sheep, confident that the all powerful shepherd will provide him with peace ‘n’ plenty.  (I don’t understand why the “flock” trope is so comforting to people; I mean, what is the destiny of those animals, what are they being preserved for?)   Even the last word, I have read,  is more accurately translated as “for quite a while”, than “forever”.
    And truth be told, I hafta say, I don’t find the “wheat and tares” image any more reassuring..  I guess were supposed to look at it like being consumed  is the ultimate  metaphor : the bliss of being subsumed in the  identity of the Creator.

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  7. Hypatia:
    In fact think of the 23rd Psalm, where the speaker depicts himself aa an obedient sheep, confident that the all powerful shepherd will provide him with peace ‘n’ plenty.  (I don’t understand why the “flock” trope is so comforting to people; I mean, what is the destiny of those animals, what are they being preserved for?)   Even the last word, I have read,  is more accurately translated as “for quite a while”, than “forever”.
    And truth be told, I hafta say, I don’t find the “wheat and tares” image any more reassuring..  I guess were supposed to look at it like being consumed  is the ultimate  metaphor : the bliss of being subsumed in the  identity of the Creator.

    Well I think that is the spiritual battle in action. Does one submit his soul to God the Father and refrain from the time limited material riches of the world in exchange for the timeless spiritual riches of the Kingdom? That is the imagery here. We are a flock yes but our shepherd is not leading us to the slaughter. And when one of the sheep is led astray and refuses the help of the shepherd, that one sheep is subject to the mercy of wolves.

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  8. Robert A. McReynolds:

    Hypatia:
    In fact think of the 23rd Psalm, where the speaker depicts himself aa an obedient sheep, confident that the all powerful shepherd will provide him with peace ‘n’ plenty.  (I don’t understand why the “flock” trope is so comforting to people; I mean, what is the destiny of those animals, what are they being preserved for?)   Even the last word, I have read,  is more accurately translated as “for quite a while”, than “forever”.
    And truth be told, I hafta say, I don’t find the “wheat and tares” image any more reassuring..  I guess were supposed to look at it like being consumed  is the ultimate  metaphor : the bliss of being subsumed in the  identity of the Creator.

    Well I think that is the spiritual battle in action. Does one submit his soul to God the Father and refrain from the time limited material riches of the world in exchange for the timeless spiritual riches of the Kingdom? That is the imagery here.

    it’s not, really.  The benisons  all have to do with earthly comfort: green pastures,  still waters, feasting in front of the envious enemy, the overflowing cup.  Or, if you’re goin with the grain/corn trope, a nice dry warm barn  But the sheep and the wheat are all destined for the pot . Oh, don’t mind me.   It’s just, it strikes me funny that nobody ever seems to think these images through.  I’m sure it’s all for the best. Carry on!

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  9. Dreher’s just being alarmist

    I’m glad Rod Dreher already anticipated this critics, but my criticism wouldn’t be that he is an alarmist but that he is a hopeless pessimist. His Benedict Option, is basically giving up. Sad to think of having that mindset when you have children. What do you tell your kids. “Just give up and hide in the mountains kids and hope things get better while your gone”. I know some are taking that option, seeking refuge in the wilds of Idaho or Montana and trying to live off the grid but eventually the insanity and destruction in the cities will eventually find you. Look, at what has been happening to the White Farmers in South Africa. If you think about it, they live in the refuge of the farmlands but eventually the tribal hoards with a axe to grind finds them and kills them in horrific ways. Granted many of them are denied arms, a problem that we don’t have in this country, but look what happened with the Bundy’s. If civilization collapses, they aren’t just going to stay in the cities and kill each other they will go out the country in search of food and they have guns too.

    Also I’m not so sure that Gen Z is as hopeless as the millennials. Despair is a sin, there is always hope. I have faith in many of the younger generation, If the millennials were the generation of Obama, Gen Z is the generation of Trump which gives me hope.

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  10. Mate De:

    Dreher’s just being alarmist

    I’m glad Rod Dreher already anticipated this critics, but my criticism wouldn’t be that he is an alarmist but that he is a hopeless pessimist. His Benedict Option, is basically giving up. Sad to think of having that mindset when you have children. What do you tell your kids. “Just give up and hide in the mountains kids and hope things get better while your gone”. I know some are taking that option, seeking refuge in the wilds of Idaho or Montana and trying to live off the grid but eventually the insanity and destruction in the cities will eventually find you. Look, at what has been happening to the White Farmers in South Africa. If you think about it, they live in the refuge of the farmlands but eventually the tribal hoards with a axe to grind finds them and kills them in horrific ways. Granted many of them are denied arms, a problem that we don’t have in this country, but look what happened with the Bundy’s. If civilization collapses, they aren’t just going to stay in the cities and kill each other they will go out the country in search of food and they have guns too.

    Also I’m not so sure that Gen Z is as hopeless as the millennials. Despair is a sin, there is always hope. I have faith in many of the younger generation, If the millennials were the generation of Obama, Gen Z is the generation of Trump which gives me hope.

    No they will be trapped in the cities because Uber will no longer work.

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  11. I have hope but it doesn’t involve a revitalized US as a constitutional republic. It involves something greater happening within our lifetimes. I have given up hope that the mechanics of civilization still work, but I haven’t given up hope that it will get better for some of us.

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  12. Mate De:
    His Benedict Option, is basically giving up. Sad to think of having that mindset when you have children. What do you tell your kids. “Just give up and hide in the mountains kids and hope things get better while your gone”. I know some are taking that option, seeking refuge in the wilds of Idaho or Montana and trying to live off the grid

    This is a misunderstanding of the Benedict Option. It has nothing to do with living off the grid or running to the hills. Dreher is advocating building communities of like-minded people who reject many contemporary values, in short to build intentional communities of counter-cultural witness.

    These communities need not be physically isolated from the rest of the country; many of them are in urban areas such as Chicago, Pittsburg, and Philadelphia. It is not necessary to flee to a remote area to pursue these values or to create such communities, though it is probably advisable to leave dense urban areas anyway, independently of the desire to go BenOpt, as we have seen in this summer of “peaceful protests.” These are separate issues: physical safety and spiritual values. Dreher came up with his ideas long before the cities started burning.

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  13. Gavin Longmuir:
    Robert A Mc:  “It [hope] involves something greater happening within our lifetimes.

    Would you care to expand upon that tantalizing comment?

    Sure but you guys will think me crazy.

    I wholeheartedly believe that we are living in the time when Christ returns. I very much doubt the calendar gets to 2050.

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  14. drlorentz:

    Mate De:
    His Benedict Option, is basically giving up. Sad to think of having that mindset when you have children. What do you tell your kids. “Just give up and hide in the mountains kids and hope things get better while your gone”. I know some are taking that option, seeking refuge in the wilds of Idaho or Montana and trying to live off the grid

    This is a misunderstanding of the Benedict Option. It has nothing to do with living off the grid or running to the hills. Dreher is advocating building communities of like-minded people who reject many contemporary values, in short to build intentional communities of counter-cultural witness.

    These communities need not be physically isolated from the rest of the country; many of them are in urban areas such as Chicago, Pittsburg, and Philadelphia. It is not necessary to flee to a remote area to pursue these values or to create such communities, though it is probably advisable to leave dense urban areas anyway, independently of the desire to go BenOpt, as we have seen in this summer of “peaceful protests.” These are separate issues: physical safety and spiritual values. Dreher came up with his ideas long before the cities started burning.

    We are moving to Delaware City which very much has this type of sentiment. Small town Americana. I hope the community we are moving to has a strong Christian presence.

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  15. drlorentz:

    Mate De:
    His Benedict Option, is basically giving up. Sad to think of having that mindset when you have children. What do you tell your kids. “Just give up and hide in the mountains kids and hope things get better while your gone”. I know some are taking that option, seeking refuge in the wilds of Idaho or Montana and trying to live off the grid

    This is a misunderstanding of the Benedict Option. It has nothing to do with living off the grid or running to the hills. Dreher is advocating building communities of like-minded people who reject many contemporary values, in short to build intentional communities of counter-cultural witness.

    These communities need not be physically isolated from the rest of the country; many of them are in urban areas such as Chicago, Pittsburg, and Philadelphia. It is not necessary to flee to a remote area to pursue these values or to create such communities, though it is probably advisable to leave dense urban areas anyway, independently of the desire to go BenOpt, as we have seen in this summer of “peaceful protests.” These are separate issues: physical safety and spiritual values. Dreher came up with his ideas long before the cities started burning.

    Yeah but Dreher is also disingenuous. I understand his point but he is also willing to jump ship when things get too hot and give up on an institution because it has disappointed him. Yes, I am talking about Mr Dreher leaving the Catholic faith, the one that St. Benedict was trying to preserve, if that isn’t ironic. Which is why, in my opinion, he is the text book example of Black Pilled.

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  16. My point is not to stay in NYC, or LA, especially if you have children. But at some point the fight is going to come to you and you need to be ready. Also, this country and it’s cities are worth fighting for. Maybe because my family came from NYC and it is more of a homeland to me than Ireland. My grandparents and parents were born and raised there (at least my mother’s parents). It’s a sad thing to just abandon but I guess many Roman’s had to do the same at some point but the City of Rome still remains, so does Athens with the ruins in the background. Maybe it will be the same for many of the cities of US.

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  17. Mate De:
    Yeah but Dreher is also disingenuous. I understand his point but he is also willing to jump ship when things get too hot and give up on an institution because it has disappointed him. Yes, I am talking about Mr Dreher leaving the Catholic faith, the one that St. Benedict was trying to preserve, if that isn’t ironic. Which is why, in my opinion, he is the text book example of Black Pilled.

    Distinguish between Dreher and the Benedict Option. The person and the idea are two different things. He may have popularized and named the idea but it is bigger than him, and also not identical to him. Dreher has flaws and failings; I don’t care. The idea has merit independently of Dreher’s personal choices or behavior.  If Dreher started quaffing the blood of babies tomorrow, it wouldn’t change my opinion of the Benedict Option.

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  18. Mate De:
    My point is not to stay in NYC, or LA, especially if you have children. But at some point the fight is going to come to you and you need to be ready. Also, this country and it’s cities are worth fighting for. Maybe because my family came from NYC and it is more of a homeland to me than Ireland. My grandparents and parents were born and raised there (at least my mother’s parents). It’s a sad thing to just abandon but I guess many Roman’s had to do the same at some point but the City of Rome still remains, so does Athens with the ruins in the background. Maybe it will be the same for many of the cities of US.

    Your sentiment is honorable Mate De but they just are not going to be saved. How long is it going to take to get like minded people in these cities to turn it around either through the ballot box or otherwise? There isn’t the time nor is there the desire. Conservatives/libertarians have a knack for not acting until it is too late and that has been the case since the turn of the 20th century.

    Frankly, I am ready for some of these cities to receive their Sodom and Gamorah treatment. To hell with these cities and the people in them (for the most part). They have been racking up victory after victory since the banishment from the garden and I can’t wait to see them freaking burn. I might be one of them but I will steal a little joy in my damnation knowing that these pieces of human debris are burning with me.

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  19. Robert A. McReynolds:

    Gavin Longmuir:
    Robert A Mc:  “It [hope] involves something greater happening within our lifetimes.

    Would you care to expand upon that tantalizing comment?

    Sure but you guys will think me crazy.

    I wholeheartedly believe that we are living in the time when Christ returns. I very much doubt the calendar gets to 2050.

    I put a “like” on this comment, but I am a tad more circumspect.  Others before us have had the same outlook and for arguably greater reasons.  It is not for us to know the time nor the season.

    Undoubtedly, some of the signs are flashing yellow.

    Interesting times.

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  20. Mate De:
    My point is not to stay in NYC, or LA, especially if you have children. But at some point the fight is going to come to you and you need to be ready. Also, this country and it’s cities are worth fighting for. Maybe because my family came from NYC and it is more of a homeland to me than Ireland. My grandparents and parents were born and raised there (at least my mother’s parents). It’s a sad thing to just abandon but I guess many Roman’s had to do the same at some point but the City of Rome still remains, so does Athens with the ruins in the background. Maybe it will be the same for many of the cities of US.

    The City of Rome has had some serious low points in the intervening time.  Now both city and national politics have a greater Communist following than we see in America.  If they could not lean on the EU for bailouts they would have gone bankrupt long ago.

    I think it would have been better to let them go completely bust.

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  21. MJBubba:

    Robert A. McReynolds:

    Gavin Longmuir:
    Robert A Mc:  “It [hope] involves something greater happening within our lifetimes.

    Would you care to expand upon that tantalizing comment?

    Sure but you guys will think me crazy.

    I wholeheartedly believe that we are living in the time when Christ returns. I very much doubt the calendar gets to 2050.

    I put a “like” on this comment, but I am a tad more circumspect.  Others before us have had the same outlook and for arguably greater reasons.  It is not for us to know the time nor the season.

    Undoubtedly, some of the signs are flashing yellow.

    Interesting times.

    I think back to that quote I posted from II Timothy and ask myself “is that not a checklist of things happening right this very moment?” The technocratic age has in it all the means for an entity that does not have God’s power to put on a show for people and claim to be God. All the pieces are in place Bubba. I know that you are armed spiritually—more so than I am—but I would press you to put that armor on and keep it on for the foreseeable future. Maybe—hopefully—I’m wrong.

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  22. Robert A. McReynolds:
    I think back to that quote I posted from II Timothy and ask myself “is that not a checklist of things happening right this very moment?”

    I can’t think of any era in which that laundry list of complaints did not apply. As if elders never complained about disobedient, ungrateful kids (What’s the matter with kids today?) I’m also struggling to think of when people were not “lovers of money.”

    The Bible can be a Rorschach test. Exchange that has been occurring since forever:

    A: What do you see in this passage?
    B: Why, I see the End Times.
    A: How will it be, this End?
    B: It will be as t’were a mighty rending in the sky. The mountains shall sink and the valleys shall rise. And great shall be the tumult thereof.

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  23. drlorentz:

    Robert A. McReynolds:
    I think back to that quote I posted from II Timothy and ask myself “is that not a checklist of things happening right this very moment?”

    I can’t think of any era in which that laundry list of complaints did not apply. As if elders never complained about disobedient, ungrateful kids (What’s the matter with kids today?) I’m also struggling to think of when people were not “lovers of money.”

    The Bible can be a Rorschach test. Exchange that has been occurring since forever:

    A: What do you see in this passage?
    B: Why, I see the End Times.
    A: How will it be, this End?
    B: It will be as t’were a mighty rending in the sky. The mountains shall sink and the valleys shall rise. And great shall be the tumult thereof.

    Like I said you guys will think I am crazy.

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